What about exisiting land?

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What about exisiting land?

Post: # 59935Post madanna »

Just a thought following on from the buy land and live on it - around here there are a number of former farms / properties with many outbuildings.

Now whilst its not quite the same I know - what about a co-op of like minded people buying something like this and converting the out-buildings, in an enviro-friendly way - solar panels, wind turbines, and all the other things we talk about, and also the main building - splitting it into 2 homes and doing other eco things to it.

Any one know what the likelihood of getting planning permission is to do that sort of thing? Would it be virutally impossible or is there a way? For example we currently have this for sale in our area,
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails- ... 1&tr_t=buy
and when u read the brochure there are 9 outbuilding/stables/workshops etc - kinda suggesting that maybe room for 10/11 families taking into account the main house split in 2 - or split into 1 home and the communal area....

Is this a way to begin a eco-village?

I presume there is also an Ag-tie but as I assume sheep, chickens goats and things would feature in the self sufficent world I want to live in then surely from that point of view we'd be fulfilling that??

Anyone any knowledge? Is this just complete mad thinking on my part? Is there a blindingly obvious reason this cant be looked into?

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Post: # 59955Post Muddypause »

I think it is the way to go, MA. I think it is far more likely to be possible to do this sort of thing than to start from scratch on a piece of land that has no history of residential use. And I think the finances make a lot more sense, too. Not all farm buildings will have an Ag.Tie, but you can find that out from the selling agent, or better, from the local Planning Dept (it's public information, so you have a right to find out about it.).

I think you would need to satisfy them about certain aspects of the development, but I think a plan like this would be considered by them.

Remember that planning decisions are made by a planning committee that meets regularly. The decision is not made by the officers who are employed by the council, but by the elected councillors who sit on the committee. The committee will follow guidelines, and also recommendations put forward by the officers. But this is not set in stone.

If you are serious about it, get others involved, cost it out, find out about how to finance it, develop a proper plan, and then ask to see a planning officer for an informal chat about what may be possible and whether they would support such an application. Also, get the names of the councillors on the planning committee, phone them and ask to run your ideas past them, so that you can gauge their response. They shouldn't be unapproachable - this is what they're for. You will then be in a position to know what sort of property to look for, how much you can afford, and what is likely to be acceptable to the committee.

I imagine the final application would have considerable scope for negotiation - you may have to settle for certain conditions upon the plan before they will approve it.

Ultimately, there is no absolutely certain way to be sure of an outcome, and this means that any sort of plan does carry some risk. But it is possible to apply for PP before you buy the land. Doing this, though, would require the seller to bide with you while the application went through, and if he got a better offer in the mean time, it would all come to nought - at least for that attempt.

I was briefly involved with The Community Project, while they were still looking for premises, and we looked at several stately homes, farm houses, etc., before the group decided to bid on an old hospital, and convert it into a co-housing project (unfortunately I had to back out of the project at that point). It seems the UK Co-Housing Network is now run from there (same website). I suspect they now have a wealth of information that they could share.
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Post: # 59972Post Magpie »

Here in NZ it would actually be way harder to do this that the yurt/tent/caravan thing. We can put a mobile structure on our land, and live in it, but not put more that one permanent dwelling on it. We are building a barn to live in while we build our house, but have to remove the oven at the end, as this is what defines it as a permanent dwelling. Lots of people live in caravans or converted shipping containers - anything that is movable and not permanent. I have even heard of people putting skids or wheels on their shed, so they can say that it's mobile...

So, totally the opposite to you guys!

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