GM crop production.

[Smooth Hound]

This was a post I put on the biodiesel topic, but felt maybe it should be a topic in itself, so have started it here.

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Whilst I agree it is a good idea to use veg oil rather than diesel for global warming and middle east war reasons, dont over look the reality of how veg oil is produced, most is GM grown with seeds produced by the likes of Monsantos, they have produced seeds which will grow grain but produce asterile grain which can not be used to grow more grain in the traditional way, so that we will be as reliant on them as we are on the oil industry now, then people possibly will die, these plants are already being grown in secret, and in Africa and other third world countries with the pretence of financial help etc, the reality is that the powers that be are quite aware that we could use veg oil to replace diesel, but they actually obstruct its use rather than encourage it, because they havent quite managed yet to prevent normal production which we could do for ourselves, when they have made it so only approved people can produce and sell it, you will find it in the garage at 65% more than its real price.
Shell originally was a shell importer, when shell importing was big, It only moved into oil when the world became reliant on oil, when it is reliant on veg oil it will move to that but will still have the same shareholders.
Also dont over look cross pollination , which could cost species of plants, hence species of insects and animals and mammals, thats us humans.
Mike

[tremone]

another thing with GM crops is that if your neighbour is growing GM crops and some of the seed blows into your ground and cross pollinates, then you are infringing on say monsantos patented product whether you had anything to do with it or not. There have been multi million dollar lawsuits against people for this reason who had no idea or did not want the GM crop(look it up).
Politicians are being told by these large US GM crop companies that they can coexist with conventional crops but this is clearly not the case. Push your local councillors/politicians to push against this as you can be sure the multinationals are pushing hard the other way.
I've reread over this and i hope i'm not coming over all militant because i'm an ordinary joe but I happened upon a meeting about this and the irish government has folded like a pack of cards on this issue and an english guy who has moved over is trying to wake us from our apathy by getting people to lobby their council to declare themselves GM free. I'll finish my rant by saying this GM crops bad for the soil, bad for the consumer.(Tremone quietly steps off the soapbox and shuffles off into the shadows)

[Smooth Hound]

Yes it was a canadian farmer, he was growing conventianal crops and they were cross pollinated with GM crops owned by Monsantos, there was a court case to decide whether the farmer could claim against Monsantos for the damage done, but instead Monsantos won as they reckoned the farmer should pay for using their GM crops without their consent, the farmer was fined a lot of money. It is a serious thing the GM subject, I didn't realise the Irish govt is allowing it without any sort of debate with the public.

mike

[Martin]

this is potentially a lethal technology that should never have been released into the wild - about time we declared independence from the US, and booted out their blasted GM companies!
The simple fact that GM contaminates everything within miles, therefore removing organic crops' organic status is unforgiveable!

[bazil]

this stuff is sick........im turning in my living grave











#on edit the world is getting sicker and my depression is gettin worse...if i had an auto shotgun a pocket full of shells and the addresses of the people who mess the world up the world would be better overnight

[tremone]

The brains dept here in Ireland believe there has to be a distance of 26 miles between conventional crops and GM crops because I don't know maybe they are going to ask the wind not to blow or the birds not to fly.

But I would do a bit of investigating around the UK government, the guy holding that meeting said that UK had a similar sort of plan & it's not too far to get across the irish sea, even if ireland did veto it, it could still be a problem.

Ireland is becoming more and more of a US concubine but we're no match for the UK in the asskissing the US department.

Of course France, Italy & Germany have banned GM crops outright but are also at risk if other countries allow it.

Rgds,
Tremone

[bazil]

forget conventional crops...what if they intermingle with naural crops and naturalise themselves....then we will have terminator seeds in the natural scene and the whole countryside will become a desert unless someone either pays thes companies for seeds every year or people group together and sue the ass of them for making something so horrid.....i mean for F**k sake...in the case of the guy who got sued by monsanto...that is so wrong......they contaminated him for the love of mike.....uuuurggghh


that does my head in

[Smooth Hound]

There seems to be only one answer,

[ohareward]

New Zealand has banned GM foods. There was a supply of corn accidently brought in from USA just a while back, luckily, not all the consignment was planted. That which remained was destroyed. The farmers involved are waiting to see if they will be compensated for loss of earnings.

[Smooth Hound]

When you say a supply of corn accident, what does that mean, cross contamination or what??

[Bonniegirl]

Here you are, a report from the NZ Herald

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/search/story. ... B353C55561

[Smooth Hound]

I see so even after a country has declared itself GM free there are still issues, These Gm people just cant be trusted.

[Smooth Hound]

I am interested as to why NZ has declared it self GM free and how it came toi the conclusion that was the best approach, and perhaps an insight into some of the arguements that probably took place in the debate over whether you should Gm free or not, as it might help with helping us who are against GM to appose perhaps in a similar way, after all it seems that apart from the things that happen like the report in your post, Your anti GM lobby has won its case.

[ohareward]

Hi SH. Have a look at this site. It might help.
http://www.gefree.org.nz/links.htm
Robin

[Smooth Hound]

Yes alot of interesting stuff, I used to live right next door to Monsantos in n wales for a while when i was younger and there was an incident where the river was contaminated and everyone was quite ill for a day or 2 , they were taken to court over it and the judge decided there was no need to fine them more than something like 1000 pounds on the grounds that they were a large employer in the area, when in reality they were only employing the tea staff and cleaners on a minimal wage in that area, all the high earners were from outside , there was an occasion, or more a period of time than occasion really, when when the wind was blowing from a certain direction and women were going out or coming back from a night out their tights were melting so that holes were just appearing from nowhere. and the smell of the place, It is a worry that we would even concider putting our food supply and the environment into there hands. They have proved that they cant be.