Home Grown Bread.

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Home Grown Bread.

Post: # 163035Post Rosendula »

:cheers: :blob4:
I did it! I finally managed it! As I type this I am eating not just home-made bread, but bread made using home grown wheat! And it's blummin' lovely! :cheers: It's moist and dense because it was soft wheat. It didn't rise much, but it's really, really tasty.

So here's the story....
I decided to grow my own bread last October but couldn't find wheat seeds anywhere except on eBay. So that's where I got them. 960g of seeds for £5.59 including p&p. Now in the John Seymour book, he says it's best to sow in September, but I'd already missed that, and I didn't have the weather/time in October, so it got sown in November. I covered as much as I could with cages to keep the birds off, but couldn't cover it all, so the wheat grew only where the cages were and nowhere else :roll: Anyway, I forgot to cut it back in Feb/March, so it didn't send out extra shoots, only one per seed. I kept forgetting to water it and the ground dried hard and cracked. I didn't have the experience to know when it was ripe, so I tried to use judgement basded on what I'd read - decided to leave it a couple more days to be sure, went back 2 days later and most of it was lying down in the mud..... Basically, I did a rather pathetic job of growing wheat, and from the 960g I bought, of which I sowed about 900g, I harvested......

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800g! :laughing9:
Ah well. It might be the most expensive loaf of bread I've ever eaten, but it's a home-grown loaf. I've used 400g to make this loaf that I now want another slice of, and I think I'll save the other 400g to sow next month. Anyone want to have a guess at how much I'll harvest next year?
Rosey xx

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Post: # 163056Post Millymollymandy »

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: Wow Rosie I think you must be the first Isher to make bread from their own home grown wheat!!! :salute: :salute: :salute: Congratulations - even if it doesn't exactly pay! :lol: Now how long did all the threshing and grinding take you? :shock: And how DID you grind it up? Tell us more!
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Post: # 163060Post ina »

Quite an achievement!

But that person selling wheat on ebay has obviously found a gold mine... Why don't you just buy a kg of whole wheat at the health food shop and sow that? The germination rate may not be so good, but I bet it works out a lot cheaper...

Better still, find a local farmer (organic, if possible, of course, because otherwise your seed may be dressed with chemicals), and try and persuade them to let you have a few pounds...
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Post: # 163067Post old tree man »

Wow Rosie thats great, now thats what i call being self sufficient it may have cost a bit but for the first attempt BRILLIANT wel done :thumbleft: :thumbleft: :thumbleft: :thumbleft:
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Post: # 163070Post Rosendula »

Hi Ina, I looked all over for wheat but couldn't find any in health food shops, or in the dried grains section in stupormarkets. I looked around the farmer's market and everything. Unfortunately, I didn't have the confidence to talk to any of the farmers. And I was in a rush and running out of time. This year though, I have decided to sow half of the winter wheat seeds I harvested, and buy some spring wheat to sow later, so I have a while to shop around. I have noticed that on ethicalsupermarket they have some Suma wheatgrains for 79p/500g - quite a bit cheaper. Think I'll give that a try.

MMM, it took me forever to thresh and winnow it. I cut it down one day using an old sickle I found in the allotment skip :mrgreen: To get it home on my bike trailer, I wrapped it up in a towel and tried to avoid the bumps on the road. Then I stood it on its end on a shelf in the shed at home. I think you're meant to stand it like this outside to allow it to dry a bit more in the sun and wind, but we weren't allowed any sunshine, so it went in the shed. I left it a few days (in hindsight it might have been better to leave it longer, but I was too excited). Now, here's where I made life really difficult and tedious for myself: I came up with the crazy idea that cutting off the wheat heads would make things quicker and easier :scratch: Erm, I couldn't be more wrong. It took forever to do that because I hadn't stacked it very well and the heads were all at different levels. It was the first nice day in ages, so I sat on the path outside to do this.

Then OH came out. I had completely forgotten he was going to make our patio on that day. (I say patio, but it's a kind of broadening of the existing paths with matching concrete so that we can fit a table on it.) So I had to gather it all up again and take it into the kitchen.

Well to cut a long story short, with OH doing the patio, I was not only trying to thresh and winnow the wheat, but I was helping him out when needed - including having to whizz up to B&Q for another 5 bags of concrete for him - and look after LO, and do all the other mundane stuff like making lunch, emptying the dishwasher, sorting the washing (which I'd just hung out when he started and I had to bring in again because it was getting covered with dust :angry8: Did I say it was the first nice day in ages?), that sort of thing. So it took me all day Friday and half of Saturday to do it, which is why I didn't get to eat the bread until late on the Saturday night.

To thresh it, I put it in a pillowcase and banged it against two walls. There's a narrow bit between my house and brick shed, so I could swing it backwards and forwards hitting both walls.

To winnow it, I poured it from one bowl to another. I tried to use the wind to blow away the chaff, but every time I went outside the wind stopped. I tried blowing it myself, but apart from getting absolutely covered in the stuff, I started to go dizzy after about 10 minutes. So unfortunately, I ended up standing the electric fan on the doorstep and using that.

To grind it up, I could have used my pestle and mortars, but despite having lots of them, none of them are anywhere near big enough. Same goes for my little coffee grinder, which doesn't grind things very fine anyway. So I cheated and put it in the electric blender. I don't think the blender was too happy with that. It worked, but it got quite warm, which apparently spoils the flavour a bit.

So I did it. Not very successfully, and not very green-ly, but I did it. I will try again, as I say, and will compare winter and spring wheat. I'm also thinking of putting a flour mill on my Christmas list :wink: and am on the lookout for a decent basket for winnowing, because the smooth surface of the bowls I used didn't help remove the little bits of chaff at all. I'm quite pleased with my first attempt. I don't think I can call it a success, but it wasn't a failure either. Most importantly, I have learned a lot. And that's what it's all about.

:salute: Thanks Old Tree Man, you answered while I was typing all this.
Rosey xx

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Post: # 163073Post Rosendula »

Just to bore you further, here's some photos... :lol:

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Wheat in May
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Wheat in June
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In the Shed
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Patio in progress
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This is heavy stuff
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Threshing
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Little Helper
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The Bread!
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Post: # 163076Post Jandra »

That's a fabulous achievement! Great!

Thanks for the pictures and the story.

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Post: # 163079Post Millymollymandy »

My god you'll be asking Santa for a heavy horse and a Victorian threshing machine next! :lol: What a humungous amount of work, you can imagine why farmers and labourers were happy with 'progress' to make their lives easier as more and more machinery was invented. You should be very, very proud of yourself for all that you achieved though I am a bit astounded that you want to do it all over again! :lol:

Just wondering whether you can grow the wheat that is sold as feed for poultry? Anyway know? I mean, it does grow, as I filled up the wild bird seed feeders with it once but they weren't that impressed and with rain during winter the wheat just grew and clogged the feeder up. :lol:
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Post: # 163081Post Penny Lane »

So it CAN be done then?!

Fabulous story to go along with your very own bread Rosey, I might follow suit next year and have a go myself.

Well done :cheers:
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Post: # 163102Post ina »

Rosey, you've certainly worked hard for it - you deserve an extra slice! :wink:

Have you got a farming museum locally - that may be worth a visit! I find them fascinating; also reading historical books written by local farmers. There's a lot we can learn.

Shame on your health food shops, that they don't even stock something as basic as the most commonly eaten grain - wheat is nice cooked like rice, eaten as a risotto or in salads...


Just had an idea: learn from the person who sold you that grain on ebay. Buy a large (25kg) bag of seed wheat from a farm supplier, pack it up in small bags and sell for loads of money. That way you get yours cheaper, and make a little on the side... :sunny:
I always thought it ridiculous when I saw tiny bags of hay for rabbits in garden centres at enormous prices, compared to bales; or bags of cow sh*t sold as organic fertiliser for similar amounts of money - and I was scraping it off my boots every night!
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ina wrote:Just had an idea: learn from the person who sold you that grain on ebay. Buy a large (25kg) bag of seed wheat from a farm supplier, pack it up in small bags and sell for loads of money. That way you get yours cheaper, and make a little on the side... :sunny:
I always thought it ridiculous when I saw tiny bags of hay for rabbits in garden centres at enormous prices, compared to bales; or bags of cow sh*t sold as organic fertiliser for similar amounts of money - and I was scraping it off my boots every night!
That reminds me of the first time we bought in straw - it's not that easy to find in small bales and we don't have space here for round bales - the next time we got some the farmer who delivered told us that the previous person we'd bought from was his brother in law - who didn't work in farming but had bought a round bale, used someone's equipment to rebale it into smaller ones and made a profit selling it to people like us! As it hadn't cost us much more per bale (about 20c) we just smiled at his ingenuity! :cheers:
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Millymollymandy wrote:As it hadn't cost us much more per bale (about 20c) we just smiled at his ingenuity! :cheers:
It's all got to be in proportion: I don't mind paying for a service, but I do mind being ripped off!
When a tiny bag costs more than a large bale, there's something wrong.
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Post: # 163146Post Peggy Sue »

This is really inspiring- a huge well done :cheers:
I would just love to have a go (probabaly less the trips to B&Q etc etc), wonder if I could nick some grain from the farmer I know? (Probably not!!)
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Post: # 163148Post Annpan »

Well done Rosey, what an achievement :wav:
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Post: # 163150Post red »

thats fantastic!

might have to try this myself sometime


well done :cheers:
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