MMR Vaccination

[Martin]

I think the main problem is the total control of the health system by the drug brigade - no credence whatsoever is given to alternatives, because they'd knock merry hell out of their profits - no other reason!
As such, when something contentious arises like the MMR jab, it is incredibly difficult to get a balanced view from the "powers that be", who will blindly support high tech medicine, to the exclusion of all others.
Increasing numbers of people are voting with their feet, and embracing the alternatives - they should be recognised, and they should have a voice in government. Over the years I've found many remedies outside the NHS, for myself, family, friends and animals - I know they work, and do so safely, without side effects, and usually they're much cheaper than drugs.
I don't dismiss surgery and drug therapy totally (if I'm in a car smash, I want a well-equipped A&E to patch me up!), but despair at the gross overuse of allopathic medicine, and the attempted smothering of all other therapies
(there are moves afoot to close the NHS homoeopathic hospitals, and to stop the sale of many herbal and nutritional remedies). It's about time all the disciplines sat down together, and looked at the possibility of using far more "alternatives" wherever possible - but all the time there is this blind insistence that "ours is the only way", we will not progress in therapy at all!
Despite being very "anti" allopathy, I still agonised as to the best course when the question of vaccinations arose with my daughter - we decided against, but would never suggest anyone follows suit - do your own research, accept nothing at face value, and then make your choice - what is right for YOU!

[2steps]

On a personal note:
with the new idea of innoculation against pneumonia, I can whole heartedly agree with this! 3 years ago iwas working on site in -3 conditions and thought I had a cold, did the usual, garlic, codliver oil, increased fruit intake especially citrus etc. 5 days later felt more like flu but as I was self employed carried on, after a total of 2 weeks from initially feeling ill I was delerious and on the friday I was sent to hospital with double pneumonia. if i hadn't litterally dragged myself to the doctors, and I mean litterally, I was told I would have been dead by the monday. The symptoms were not what i expected, painful and very dibilitating. also in that period I lost over 3 stone of weight. I wouldn't wish that illness on my children.

I remember at school people would beoff a day or 2 andcome back saying they'd had flu all the time when all it was, was a cold. when I was at college I caught flu. I got really wet cycling home and felt really cold and tired and went to bed. ove rthe next few days I felt rough but went to college and work and assumed I caught another cold. After that I spent 2 weeks in bed because I literally couldn't move to go anywhere else. Just completely lost the abilitly to move any part of me. crawled on all 4's to the toilet and it was effort even to speak. I don't remember being hardly awake through that time or eating, just sleeping. I made a big mistake though after that time and thinking I was feeling a lot better decided to go with my mum into town on saturday. we got there, went in one shop and I nearly passed out and went straight home to spend another week in bed feeling awful
Thankfully I've not had it since.

I was under the impression that the flu jab only protects against certain strains, so you could still get flu even if you have them.

[caithnesscrofter]

I think the main problem is the total control of the health system by the drug brigade - no credence whatsoever is given to alternatives, because they'd knock merry hell out of their profits - no other reason!
As such, when something contentious arises like the MMR jab, it is incredibly difficult to get a balanced view from the "powers that be", who will blindly support high tech medicine, to the exclusion of all others.
Increasing numbers of people are voting with their feet, and embracing the alternatives - they should be recognised, and they should have a voice in government. Over the years I've found many remedies outside the NHS, for myself, family, friends and animals - I know they work, and do so safely, without side effects, and usually they're much cheaper than drugs.
I don't dismiss surgery and drug therapy totally (if I'm in a car smash, I want a well-equipped A&E to patch me up!), but despair at the gross overuse of allopathic medicine, and the attempted smothering of all other therapies
(there are moves afoot to close the NHS homoeopathic hospitals, and to stop the sale of many herbal and nutritional remedies). It's about time all the disciplines sat down together, and looked at the possibility of using far more "alternatives" wherever possible - but all the time there is this blind insistence that "ours is the only way", we will not progress in therapy at all!
Despite being very "anti" allopathy, I still agonised as to the best course when the question of vaccinations arose with my daughter - we decided against, but would never suggest anyone follows suit - do your own research, accept nothing at face value, and then make your choice - what is right for YOU!

I agree the blind faith in mainstream drug therapies are completely dangerous and grossly irresponsible. I was reading this the other day... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/talking_poi ... 804350.stm
Here's what this doctor claims..

"The original reason why people wanted a single jab was because they thought that the three vaccines would totally overwhelm the immune system. But there's been recent studies to show a child can actually cope with 11,000 vaccines given at once - the immune system could cope with that. If you give 11 vaccines to a child at once, you're only basically using up .1% of your immune system. If you're not worried about overloading the immune system and are still worried about autism and inflammatory bowel disease - I tell my patients there is no link, I've looked at the data and there's no link."

Needless to say I just about fell off my bloody chair. If this is so, I'd hope that this doctor would stand behind his confidence of this study and inject himself with 11,000 doses of the measles jab seeing it is so safe... sheesh.

[PurpleDragon]

My son has the first MMR, but not the 2nd. I was pregnant when he was due the 2nd one, and I was very emotional about it. The Health Visitor was fantastic and explained to me that the first jag is the important one, and that the booster is just to catch the 10% of children who didn't catch the first time. Apparently 90% of the children don't actually need the booster, but it is cheaper to give them the booster than it is to test every child for immunity.

I had them take a blood test of No1Child, who was immune. When I phoned for the results, which weren't in, the Dr said "Oh, they're not back yet - just tell her to come in and get the injection".

Incidentally, I was told that the initial innoculation only lasts till they are 18 or so, anyway.

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On the other hand ..

when I had my littlest one, we decided to go the no-jag route altogether, and she wasn't given her Vit-K injection at birth (which is generally automatic). This helps with clotting. We had refused it, and my home-midwife respected our decision. The baby was taken into hospital at 3 days old, and one of the things that was wrong with her was stomach bleeding. They gave her the Vit-K injection, but were uncertain whether it would stop the bleeding, but fortunately either it did, or it was going to stop anyway.

Scared the life outta me.

My two younger girls hav both had the MMR 1st jag. They will both have the blood tests to see if they need the booster, and I shall pay for them if I have to.