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Post: # 22267Post Tinks »

hello!
my daughter suffers badly with hayfever, it affects her eyes mainly, at the moment they are so swollen and sore that she can barely see :cry: this obviously means it is a nightmare down at the allotment. anyway i thought i would pass on a tip that I have been told in case anyone else is suffering - apparently eating local honey builds up a tolerance to the pollen in the area as that is what the bees are feeding on!
(unfortunately maisie doesnt like honey. or the piriton. or the eyedrops.) does anyone have any other sugestions? she is getting a bit desperate now! someone suggested nettle tea, is that likely to work?
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Post: # 22273Post Martin »

probably a bit late this season, but local honey is a brilliant idea - there are also some very effective homoeopathic remedies - but again, you really need to take them before you're exposed!
Large doses of vitamin c can also help "damp it down" - we had a neighbour who's son really suffered badly every year, he'd had every know drug, nothing worked, then he went to an alternative therapist who bunged him on megadoses of vit c, and he was fine! 8)
I really would suggest visiting a homoeopath, herbalist or traditional chinese acupuncturist - they can work wonders! :dave:
ps natural source vitamin c - not the synthetic "chemists" version - around 12 grammes a day!(for an adult) - to "bowel tolerance level" - ie up the dose each day till you get the trots, then back off a bit! 8)
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Post: # 22423Post Tinks »

thanks martin, brilliant advice. going to try more vitamin c and i thought maybe a boost of echinacea as well. just wondering do you, or anyone else, have a rough estimate of a price for a consultation with a acupuncturist or herbalist etc? i think i shall definately take her and see what they suggest but would like to have a rough idea of price to know if its an option or not!
thanks again!

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Post: # 22425Post Martin »

Usually a good alternative practitioner will charge somewhere about £25- £30 - it sounds a lot, but that can sometimes mean a treatment of over an hour - ask around locally who's good, have a natter with your local natural health clinic - I've used most forms of alternative therapy, and am living proof it works, it's safe, it works and it's gentle! - best of luck with the little one! :wink:
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Post: # 22431Post Shirley »

Thanks for the Vit C tip Martin... going to give that a shot myself.

I'm just starting with the sniffles and watery eyes - starts later up here in the frozen north... I've previously tried luffa complex and that did help a bit... don't suppose there is anything wrong with vit c and luffa together?? Luffa comes as a tincture or a nasal spray - I used the tincture... a few drops in small amount of water which is held in the mouth for a minute before swallowing.

My 12 year old suffers very badly - I might try the homeopath and see what he comes up with.

Sympathy goes out to anyone suffering with this awful summer problem.
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Post: # 22469Post hedgewizard »

Martin wrote:ps natural source vitamin c - not the synthetic "chemists" version - around 12 grammes a day!(for an adult) - to "bowel tolerance level" - ie up the dose each day till you get the trots, then back off a bit! 8)
Horrors. There's no evidence that "natural source" vitamin C is any better for you. It's better absorbed, but if you're going to saturate yourself with it anyway it really doesn't matter. There is, however, evidence that high doses of vitamin C increases your risk of kidney stones and can cause depletion of vitamin B12, as well as causing complications for people with specific medical complaints. I wouldn't recommend the high dose vitamin C route, and I can't find any proof that it works in any case although it is promoted by people who sell it.

The honey thing is a good idea, and there's some anecdotal evidence that it works - but of course it's only any good for flower pollen allergies. Grasses and conifers etc aren't collected by bees.

Tinks, don't give up because your daughter doesn't like piriton. There are plenty of other brands of chlorphenamine (the active ingredient) syrup, try asking around. You can always mix it into yogurt, that usually masks the taste. You also have the option of nose sprays or eye drops if you're desperate enough.

Some common sense avoidance measures usually help quite a bit;
Keep an eye on pollen forecasts for your area (bbc.co.uk/weather has them for UK)
Don't be out at dawn or dusk when pollen levels are high
Wear sunglasses outside to reduce pollen impact on the eyes
Don't leave bedroom windows open, especially at night
Wear a hat or headscarf when outside

If you can identify which pollens are responsible, some homoeopaths will make a homoeopathic injection of it for you, but that's outside my experience. Good luck!

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Post: # 22479Post Martin »

Herrumph!
I will take myself as a case in point - I have taken large doses of vitamin C over the last 25 years, along with other nutritional supplements as part of a natural cure for dreadful allergies - I still have to be careful to avoid several things, but live a totally "normal" life, thanks to alternative therapies.
If I took 1 gramme of synthesised vitamin "c", I would have terrible gripes, and the galloping squits for AGES - but I can take up to 16 grammes a day of natural vitamin C with no ill-effects whatsoever!
Synthesised vitamin "c" is "filthy" - it's often made from corn, and has a lot of chemical contamination - it is also a single chemical substance - and as such NOT in any fit state to be taken up by the body - all vitamins sould be naturally sourced - vitamin c needs the bioflavanoid complex along with it to achieve synergy, and be of any use to the body!. 8)
Linus Pauling gained a Nobel prize for his work on "megadoses", particularly of vitamin "C" - other researchers at the same period were achieving remarkable complete remissions from alcoholism and schizophrenia by using megadoses of vit B...... since then the work has been largely forgotten - for one damned good reason - you can't whack a patent on vitamins, and hence charge criminal amounts of money for them, since then, the drug companies have done their best to rubbish all vitamin therapies.............. :pale:
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Post: # 22482Post Martin »

whilst on the subject of kiddies with allergies - when I was a lad, way back in the fifties, asthma was very rare - if you want to find the cause of them getting "sensitised", look at the difference in our homes!
Nowadays, houses are hotter, and tend to be FULL of pollutants - some of the very worst are "foams" and "fire retardant" - soft furnishings and carpet underlays leech toxins for 30 years.........worth checking out! (If I sit on some new sofas, within half an hour, I'm feeling "woozy") :wink:
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Post: # 22492Post hedgewizard »

*harrumphs louder*

I'm glad you're in good health Martin. You're quite right about the corn link, and it's interesting to hear about your difficulties taking very large doses of synethic stuff. I wouldn't recommend anyone to take such large doses, as one of my patients doing just that have gone on to develop renal calculi. I'm afraid the argument about being healthy yourself doesn't cut much ice with me, as I hear that a lot from smokers too. It's a statistical risk, not a cast iron guarantee.

Linus Pauling didn't get a Nobel prize for anything to do with vitamins - he got one for work against nuclear testing and another for his work on the nature of chemical bonds (he's the only person ever to have been given two individually). He actually didn't work on vitamin C until late in life, his work on megadoses being attacked as quackery at the time by some critics. The research is still continuing through his Institute in OSU, so there's no question of "rubbishing".

Megadoses of some B vitamins have been linked to nerve damage, which is why the retail sale of megadose B-vits is banned in the UK. The kidney stones thing with vitamin C is much less dangerous, and less likely, but in the USA there were 33 documented cases of vitamin C toxicity and one death in the last year.

The increase in asthma, eczema, hayfever, crohn's, ulcerative colitis plus a bunch of other auto-immune stuff is probably partly down to pollutants, but also probably due to increased hygeine - kids aren't getting enough "immune challenge" in infancy. Which is why I'm very happy for Harry to eat molehill tops, worms, etc!

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Post: # 22495Post Martin »

I'm afraid I'm very cynical about any bans of natural vitamins - any substance CAN be toxic if taken to ridiculous excess - but they are billions of times safer than the largely untried drugs that are foisted off on us in the name of medicine!
The main danger with megadoses of B vitamins is that the individual parts should NEVER be taken in isolation - they become quite dangerous, especially if synthesised. Again, it's that "synergy" thing - a vitamin b complex tablet from natural sources has synergy - loads of things working together to produce a healing effect........
I've no doubts whatsoever that any problems with vitamins are down to using synthesised (and hence incomplete) versions! :wink:
If we're talking toxicity - paracetamol - over 6 tabs, you could be a gonner - on open sale everywhere! :dave:
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Post: # 22499Post Shirley »

hedgewizard wrote:
The increase in asthma, eczema, hayfever, crohn's, ulcerative colitis plus a bunch of other auto-immune stuff is probably partly down to pollutants, but also probably due to increased hygeine - kids aren't getting enough "immune challenge" in infancy. Which is why I'm very happy for Harry to eat molehill tops, worms, etc!
I think you have a good point there about the hygiene... but... that said... my 12 year old has rather bad hayfever and gets asthma as a consequence of that... he was brought up in the countryside... plenty of fresh air and muck lol.... oh, and he was exclusively breastfed for six months and then kept on feeding him til he was 9 months.. and he still ended up with it AND severe eczema to boot. To be fair.. his dad had asthma and I had hayfever so I guess in many ways he was predisposed to it...

It's a tricky topic isn't it - but that's one of the things I love most about this place. We can all discuss without falling out... :mrgreen:

As for Jonathan - he's hardly ever clean... within minutes of getting out of the shower he's barefoot in the garden or chewing the dog/cat/gosling lol
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Post: # 22509Post hedgewizard »

Martin wrote:If we're talking toxicity - paracetamol - over 6 tabs, you could be a gonner - on open sale everywhere! :dave:
Actually, rather more than that. It takes about 20 or 30 to endanger an adult. Castor oil, on the other hand - the refined oil is fairly safe, but the whole bean... ten beans will kill an adult, making it twice as dangerous as a paracetamol tablet. So much for synergy! :wink:

On a serious note I agree with you about synergy in some instances (although so far as I can discover, vitamin B isn't one of them). Plenty of grugs need to be used in much higher doses once they're refined. The key is to be informed about each individual product as I think it's wrong to generalise, as the castor beans show.

Shirlz, I'm afraid you've passed on a genetic predisposition that no amount of muck in infancy can remove (not that that's going to stop Jonathan trying!). Again, there are no cast iron guarantees - "we don't deal the deck down here, we just play the percentages".

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Post: # 22518Post Pumpkin »

Tinks if you have not seen a herbalist here is what I would recommend !!

See if you can get your daughter to drink nettle tea with honey added if you have to omit the honey don't worry the nettle tea is the important part as it cleans the blood.(If nettle is a no go try aniseed, cleavers, eyebright, lime flowers) Make sure when you make the tea that you allow it to infuse for 5minutes no less no longer.....
For her eyes if you place chamomile tea bags over her eyes in the evening when they are red and itchy this should help. Just get her to lie on her back and place a tea bag on each eye, the tea bags need to be covered by freshly boiled water and allowed to cool first..

On a fresh tissue during the day place eucalyptus oil and peppermint this will help ease her nasal congestion, you can also place on a tissue inside a pillow case at night...

Hope this helps, just remember it will take about seven days for the nettle tea to have an effect, the chamomile bags on the eyes should have a slight effect straight away...

Keep me posted on what is working and what is not and I will help if I can...
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Post: # 23877Post shabbadoof13 »

hey all

just to let you know there's a forum out there for all us hayfever sufferers. its at http://www.hayfeverforum.co.uk

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Post: # 23881Post Hillbilly »

I saw some awesome stuff thats 'guaranteed' to work in a magazine the other day. !00% natural - no crap. Will try and find the ad later and post it. Going to try it on OH as he is really suffering just now and hates honey.

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