Free Energie

[Andy Hamilton]

I have done a bit of research on forum scammers and they aparently will use different ip addresses to post from and will back each other up. For example one will say I love band x, the other will say yes I have tried brand x and it really works. I have a feeling that is what is going on here. I just don't really want to give any credence to a scam.

Perhaps we could leave this thread open just to carry on slagging off what is indeed a load of codswallop. - As there is still yet to be any proof that any of this works.

[Shirley]

i would leave it open! It sounds like a load of borlocks - and if anyone reads it and thinks 'oh wow'... then at least the replies that have been made will make such a person think again and thus be less likely to be taken in by such an idea in the future.

Somehow I feel that by deleting these spam posts we are setting the challenge that makes them want to post more and more.. but by leaving them there and saying what we really think about them without getting hett up - then the challenge is gone?

Just my tuppence worth.

[glenniedragon]

Oh Shirlz! its clear you know the inner workings of a toddlers mind!

kind thoughts
Deb
PS I agree, don't fan the flames

[Andy Hamilton]

Ok group decision we shall leave the pile of rot up free energie what a load of rubbish. Oh we are something like 5th search when you type free energie into google so lets hope we can spread the word that free energy is not worth the paper it is printed on.

[Andy Hamilton]

actually type in free energie bollox - we are top.

[Kfish]

Well, the first problem with Michel's 'operation of a float' is in the very first line (just as well, because my brain shut down after that, and I used to tutor high school physics students!)

We manufacture the float (variable volume) in such way, that in state of minimal volume it weighs 10 kg UNDER WATER, and in a maximum state of volume it weighs less than water (-)10 kg

So, when it's at its minimum size, it weighs LESS then when it's at its maximum? The only way the mass is going to change is if matter is entering or leaving the float, which is not mentioned in the pseudoscientific babble, er, explanation. In fact, the float is described as hermetic, that is, sealed so nothing can get in or out.

In short: this is a load of bollocks. (What a lovely word! Aussie English has nothing nearly as fun to say.)

[Muddypause]

So, when it's at its minimum size, it weighs LESS then when it's at its maximum? The only way the mass is going to change is if matter is entering or leaving the float

Well, you could also alter gravity - in the context of the impossible, that should be relatively easy.

In short: this is a load of bollocks. (What a lovely word! Aussie English has nothing nearly as fun to say.)

I could tell you a story about that - one of my favourite dinner pary anecdotes (not that I get invited to many dinner parties these days- wonder why).

Popular usage would have it that 'bollocks' is simply a reference to testicles, but in fact the origin of the word is far more revealing, as shown by a rather celebrated court case in the UK in the 70s. A popular beat combo of the time called the Sex Pistols had just released an album called 'Never Mind The Bollocks, Here's The Sex Pistols'. Anti-rudeness campaigner Mary Whitehouse decided to prosecute Virgin Records under obscenity laws. Head of Virgin, Richard Branson, managed to get John Mortimer (who wrote the TV series Rumpole Of The Baily, and is a real-life barrister) to head the defence. They got hold of a linguist form Oxford University as their cheif witness, who also happened to be a lay preacher, who turned up to court in his dog collar and proceeded to wax lyrical about the word bollocks - apparently it is actually an old English reference to priests and the archaic waffle they speak (then in Latin), and has nothing to do with male genetalia. So 'A load of bollocks' is something spoken in a language calculated so that no one can understand it.

He then offered to explain the origins of the words 'F**k' and 'shit' too.

Case dismissed.

[greatexpectations]

A French engineer is looking at a new bridge designed by a British engineer. The French engineer says, "Sure it stands up in practice, but I seriously doubt it will hold up in theory."

[Wombat]

The urban myth - as told to me by an Englishman - was that a welder who was using an arc welder recieved an electric shock through his testicles (don't ask me how) causing him to jump in the air and yell "bollocks" at the top of his lungs. Thus it was told to me over 30 years ago.

Nev

(PS Good one Greatexpectations!)

[gug]

He then offered to explain the origins of the words 'F**k' and 'shit' too.

Case dismissed.

[F]ornicate pon [C]ommand of the [K]ing. (something to do with the 100 years war and running out of men to fight it) - not sure how much truth there is in that though

[Millymollymandy]

Goodness me Andy you don't have a swear word filter on this forum!

[elfcurry]

I actually think Michel is right.

No, only kidding.

He thinks he's found a bunch of people who want to believe (and I would love to believe in harmless free energy). But he thinks we haven't got the critical faculties to spot a scam. Anyone with more brain cells than toes knows perpetual energy is unfortunately not possible. You have to be pretty gullible or a complete ignoramus in matters of science to be willing to accept that it might be true.

I say Let's continue and let Michel provide the free entertainment while we take turns to point out where he's wrong and laugh at his feigned earnestness. It probably won't last long.

Andy: You could change the thread title to something that will highlight that we're mocking the idea. How about:
Free Energie (if only it were really possible)
or
Free Energie (fantasy thread)

Guests may be Michel too. If they support him, beware!

[Kfish]

I'm sorry Muddypause, but changing gravity is not actually going to help.

The mass of something is the amount of matter in it, the number of molecules so to speak. The weight, which would change with gravity, is the force which the thing exerts on the supporting surface.

So if you go to the Moon, you will weight one-sixth of your Earth weight, because Moon gravity is one-sixth as powerful as Earth's. But your mass will be unchanged (hopefully!) because you still have the same number of molecules in your body.

Here endeth the lesson!

[Wombat]

Or.............Weight = Mass x the force of gravity

Or some such.......

Nev

[Boots]

I dunnooo what all the fuss is about ere...

The bloke made a box, whacked some magnets in it, filled it water and the float moves because of magnetic pull and gravitational push...

Don't it? (insert smiley with screwed up nose and furrowed brow)

Whether its enough to light your push bike light doesn't really matter, cos I doubt ya could ride round without tilting the whole thing and spilling water down ya socks anyway.

I like inventions... they often do wonderfully dumb things... my daughter has to design a mouse trap that has to project a ping pong ball through a basket ball hoop for this terms science assignment. This is the new real life curriculum!! This is obviously in preparation for the new mice that are being introduced... I guess some inventor, or worst still biological physicist managed to mutate mice with a Michael Jordon gene.

But heck - the thing is, inventions are pretty interesting, even when they don't work. And inventors all have that edge of insanity about them which always makes me smile. Crikey - am pretty sure everyone thought Thomas Edison was a stubbie short of his sixpack when he was running around in storms, whooping it up and screaming with disappointment and finally success.

And there are still many who have no desire whatsoever to actually see or understand electricity, but still believe it works and use it... And prolly a few who still want to believe bollocks means balls...

Good luck to all the inventors, I say.