Free Energie

[Michel]

You mention gravity, but that's not energy.

Yes!

“Any force (or forces) can be used to produce energyâ€Â

[RabidCat]

Seems the discussions here are primarily between possibilities and what we THINK we know.
Has anyone heard of an airlift? Since this discussion would likely be quite different if the principle were known, here it is: A pipe is immersed in the water. On the down end of the pipe is an air fitting that releases air into the pipe. The depth limitation is only that when the compressed air pressure is less than water pressure.
Now, this thing is used in that strange hobby/business known as dredging. One of these was used in the Oakland harbor years ago (to allow larger ships to enter); the airlift was easily capable of (and did) lift items such as old V8 engine blocks from the depths and shot these things 20 feet into the air using relatively low pressures and volumes of air. A Chevy engine weighs 400 pounds. Any questions?
A study done at Columbia University on fluid resistance in a spiral showed that at a certain fluid velocity the resistance to fluid flow dips below zero. That means... Quite possible that Victor Schauberger was onto something, especially considering that a rancher in the midwest US constructed a Schauberger turbine in an old silo. This thing produced more than 100KW in a 10 mph wind, which is also "physically impossible".
There is the Gray motor. An electrical device which does interesting things.
There is the Tesla turbine, also interesting.
There are numerous other devices, ranging back several hundred years, some of which are, in fact, capable of production of free energy. That is based on empirical evidence, not some nonsense some professor in college parrots. I know about those creatures too, by the way, as at one time I did teach: the difference was I actually taught students to think for themselves, unlike the majority.
Spouting adages essentially cuts off progress. Adages are wonderful if you are an oil company, or a power company. They are NOT if you are a consumer. Theoretical limitations should be applied ONLY to allow one to envisage loopholes, such as Bloch Wall power generation.
Again, yes, it can be stated that there is a balancing act: however, that does NOT apply to particle things: look up some quantum physics, notably Heisenberg and Schroedinger.
The fact is I have built generators capable of no load to full load with no change in input power. DC motors with no commutation requirements, and some other interesting things, which I will not mention here.
As to the gravity thing, it is possible to get free energy from gravity. How is also known. Whether the water rig actually would work, I don't know, since I haven't looked at it. As an engineer, I will say that there are electrical devices which can and do work, and some (empirically) DO defy the "laws" of physics.
Speaking of perpetuity, friction is the greatest enemy: wearing out of bearings.
However, with certain modifications (according to ME friends of mine), a good ball bearing will last longer than we all will live. Does that mean perpetual motion?

[Guest]

There is a website online that explains the Hamel Spinner.

It consists of a steel ball with a magnet on top of the ball, and another magnet that is above them both and angled slightly - thus creating a spinning motion of the magnet with the ball.

When put in the proper angel the magnet spins forever. Thus what we like to refer to as FREE ENERGY.

The term FREE ENERGY, doesn't mean that it is energy from nothing, but really it means that the energy harnessed, is available to the masses without having to pay someone for it. That's FREE ENERGY!!!!

For instance, put a 12 foot copper pipe in the ground. From the top, put a galvanized pipe inside, slightly sticking out of the copper pipe. Now connect wires to each. The copper pipe acts as the ground. The other is the positive.

Now connect a bunch of these together 4, 8, or 12, and you can basically run your house with the electricity you get.

The basic theory is to connect these things to a rechargable battery. You run the power off of your battery. The battery is continueally reacharged using this method.

Keep the soil moise and you will get FREE ENERGY (don't have to pay the monthly bills anymore!) The cost is a bit up front at first buying of all things, the property to put the copper into, and the battery and the wires etc.... so there is a bit of expense, but if this electricity is available to the masses for literally for nothing, then why not make it into a large (GRAND) scale and supply the city with the electricity?

The deeper you go with the copper pipe the more amperage. Carefull, there is enough already to probably kill you when connected together.

FREE ENERGY means not having to pay a monthly bill that seems to rise every year eventhough they are using old technology, and not improving our efficientcy (but paying CEO's and such, millions of dollars in profit sharing), nor lowering our expense, (even though they know that winter it is cold and we use heat, and in the summer it is extremely hot, we use air-conditioning) so that we need it - regardless.

This same energy can also be harnessed through the air. A little more complicated, but do-able.

So there....!

[Michel]

FREE ENERGY means not having to pay a monthly bill that seems to rise every year eventhough they are using old technology, and not improving our efficientcy (but paying CEO's and such, millions of dollars in profit sharing), nor lowering our expense, (even though they know that winter it is cold and we use heat, and in the summer it is extremely hot, we use air-conditioning) so that we need it - regardless.

This same energy can also be harnessed through the air. A little more complicated, but do-able.

So there....!

The free énérgie is here.



Method of checking by calculations of the engine 01 11357.

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S.M.
http://perpetuum.monsite.wanadoo.fr

[GoatGuy]

Hey all,

There is only one test that you need in your hat to decide whether a perpmo device is a fraud or the real deal:

Is the inventor running his whole house - stove, TV, refrigerator and all the rest... off of a scaled up model of the machine, or not?

Yep, that's it. It is vitally important to pass: it proves that the machine produces useful amounts of power, that the inventor has harnessed it in a controllable way, that it is reliable and cheap enough to be competitive with what the power company produces, and that by removing the power lines to the house - that there is precious little fraud possible (except for hidden storage batteries, sound-muffled generators, underground power lines and invisible solar panels).

Seriously consider it: no matter how much potential an invention has, the proof always has to be in the application of that invention to produce the wealth, the money that it is said to have potential to create. There can be no other test!

So, if a perpmo is supposed to produce useful amounts of power, then hook it to a generator, and use it to run a house. Or hook it to a go-cart and use it to drive around endlessly - say at 30 mph around a track, for 8 gruelling hours. Or hook it to an open-frame whale-boat and putt around a bay for a day with observers on board. Not 5 minutes. Long enough that no possible combination of hidden batteries and secret fraud devices could keep producing the energy.

Funny thing is - NONE of the permo devices to date have passed the test. They are all mavels of the imagination - flotation devices that ignore the work-function of changing volumes under hydrodynamic pressure gradients, but with beautiful 3-D pictures to give them credibility. And plenty of formulas. And plenty of potential future uses - ... just supposing that a big enough one can be built.

But wait! If I had a perpmo device of any significant size, the very first thing i'd do would be to get off the power grid. It would be a stunning and sobering exemplar of the feasibility of the design. I would invite people to put a current-clamp meter around the 220 VAC power coming out of the generator and see the 75 amps to run my stove - and show that those amps were coming from the generator.

Or, if finances weren't sufficient, I'd build a perpmo-and-generator to light up a nice 500 watt halogen lamp. Ever go to one of the science-technology museums where they have hooked up a generator and pedals, and invite you to pump your mightiest to get a series of lights to glow? You can do it for all of a minute, then give up completely panting and drained. It takes ENERGY to light a 500 watt halogen lamp. Now, if standing on transparent lucite blocks (proving it "as a unit" to be completely unattached to any nepharious source of power) it were to glow for days and days and days... i'd say that the lil' perpmo would have passed the test.

But again, none do! Why is that?

Why is it that of all the devices out there - they are all universally in 'demonstration of technology' mode, and no further? It is because when you remove the requirement that they actually have to produce macroscopic amounts of power, they fail. And that is a sure sign that either the devices are fraudulent claimants, or cheats, or simply are galvanizingn peoples' opinions by flaunting inertial motion as being the same as greater-than-unity perpetual motion.

I'm looking forward to review any link at all that actually passes the above test(s).

I'm predicting that there will be none.

GoatGuy

[Andy Hamilton]

What is going on in this post, another one that passed me by something is a foot here I think goat guy is right. free energy hmmm bollox more like,

[Wombat]

Lucid point GoatGuy! Well done............and welcome to the site!

Nev

[Michel]

Free energy.

The operation of a float of the engine 01 11357

The operation of a float. Ex.:



We manufacture the float (variable volume) in such way, that in state of minimal volume it weighs 10 kg UNDER WATER, and in a maximum state of volume it weighs less than water (-)10 kg, so that it emerges worm surface. Ex., if its weight is = 110 kg, its volume is = 100 liters in a its state of min. volume and 120 liters in the state of max. volume.
The float is hermetic, inside is the air and its mechanism, by ex.:



The mechanism includes/understands the mass (any concrete mass e.g. or a volume filled with sand), which is fixed at the end of an arm of lever. Inside are them (or it) springs with gas, and the piston. The spring with gas it is a cylinder with the piston, filled by nitrogen under the pressure. The springs with gas, e.g. are used in the cars for the maintenance of the back door (or of cap), which opens upwards.
The float is under water, e.g. with the depth 3 m, the piston turned worm the top, as shown on the drawing:



We analyze that happens: The mass (e.g. of a weight = 100 kg) will move worm bottom, it will move (will attract inside) the piston, by decreasing the volume of the float and by compressing the springs with gas (to which we store the potential energy).
With the depth 3 m the pressure of water = 0,3 kg /cm². This pressure operate the piston with the force, proportional A overrates it piston. If piston overrates it = 800 cm², water with the 3 m depth will operate the piston by the force of: 800 * 0,3 = 240 kg. At the end of arm of the lever one will have 240/2 = 120 kg. If the springs with gas are at the end of the lever, on the springs one will have the weight of the mass (100 kg) and forces it of 120 kg, coming from the piston. At the end of arm of the lever one will have: 100 + 120 = 220 kg. We choose the springs with gas of a force of thorough = 220 kg.
The float decreases its volume, its weight under water becomes = 10 kg and it cule worm the bottom. Let us admit that the depth of the pissine is = 8 m. The float passes from the 3 m depth until the depth of 8 Mr. Chemin traversed = 5 m.
Let us admit that the height of the float makes it possible the mass to move at the distance = 50 cm. The course of the mass = 50 cm. Since the piston is pushed by the medium of the lever, it will pass the distance 50/2 = 25 cm. Piston = 800 cm² overrates * 25 cm = 20 000 cm.cube = 20 liters. The displacement of the piston with decreased the volume of the float to 20 liters. For a weight of 110 kg and the volume (of the float under water) of 100 liters, its weight (under water) is = 10 kg. The float of 10 kg "falls" from a 5 m height (under the effect of the gravitation). The float "fell" (run) to the depth 8 m. The mass inside the float is in bottom, the piston is moved (is attracted) inside.
Now we turn over the float to 180 °. For that one must raise a weight of 10 kg to the 50 cm height (the float weighs under water 10 kg, the mass is in bottom) so that the mass passes to the top. Mass = 50 cm traverse. The float will be found in this position:



The gravitation and the springs with gas (they will return energy accumulated) will move the mass worm bottom, will push the piston worm bottom (interior worm outside), having increased the volume of the float by 20 liters. Maintaining the float is lighter than water, it weighs under water (-)10 kg and will assemble worm the top, worm depth the 3 m, there one stops it.
The float, "while falling" from the 5 m height produces energy and to turn over it, it is also necessary to spend energy. C.t.d., the float (10 kg)"fell" from a 5 m height and to turn over it, it should be raised (its weight of 10 kg while turning over it) to a 50 cm height.
From here: 5 m - 0,5 m = 4,5 m - the distance, on the which float produces energy. Energy does not depend on the trajectory, but only on the height. For the top (with the depth 3 m) it is necessary turned over again, while spending the same quantity of energy that in bottom, and it runs, etc.
So that the floats are turned over themselves and to increase the power of system, we fix the floats at a chain (or chains), which circumvent the wheels and the floats are turned over, by circumventing the wheels.
Ex. like that: (the diagram)



The floats are turned over to 180 ° in top and to 180 ° in bottom, by circumventing the wheels and they produces useful work (energy) while going down (while running) and while going up (while floating worm top).

Calculation of engine 01 11357 (exemple).

It is considered, that the wheel axle sup. is on the level of overrates water, and one selected the weight of mass.
Ex. one selected the weight of the mass = 100 kg.
Ex. the distance enters the axes of the wheels = 5 m.
From here, the pressure has the depth 5 m = 0.5 kg/cm². (to include/understand, to see the point "D", diagram).
From (for this depth) we calculate the surface of the piston, in not do not forget that one with the springs has gases, which are compress (the spring has gas were compressed by the mass, when the float this found in top, of dimension right, on the level of the wheel axle sup.).

To counter the pressure of water the 5 m depth there is lays out:
100 kgf (weight of the mass) + 100 kgf (the force of pushed springs has gas) = 200 kgf (this force is at the end of the lever).
Holding account that the piston is thorough (worm outside) by the medium of the lever, the force is multiplied by 2: 200 kgf X 2 = 400 kgf.

Since the distance enters the axes = 5 m and to the pressure of water to the 5 m depth = 0.5 kg/cm², consequently:
- 400 kgf/0.5 kg/cm² = 800 cm² (piston overrates it).
From here one calculates coefficient 800/100 = 8. (it is for the convenience, it is easier to make calculate them more detailed with him).

Now, that one found the surface of the piston, one makes the correction for the depth, to which this finds the engine.
The engine is under water, the higher axis this finds with the 3 m depth by ex.
From here: - the pressure has the 3 m depth = of 0.3 kg/cm² (not "B" fig. 1).
We lay out of this pressure on the piston with the point "B" and it will produce the force of thorough on the piston of 800 cm² (the surface of piston) X 0.3 kg/cm² (pressure of water) = 240 kgf. Since this force is applied to the medium of the lever, then, at its end we will obtain: 240/2 = 120 kgf, which is added to the force, which comes from the mass, weighing 100 kilogrammes (fig. 1 point "B").
On the springs with gas there will be (to compress them) the force of 100 kgf (weight of the mass) + 120 kgf (coming from the pressure) = 220 kgf, which one will store in the springs with gas (the force of propulsion, that one will use, when the float moves at the point "D").

The distance between the axes = 5 m, that means that the lower axis this finds with the depth: 3 m + 5 m = 8 m. With this depth (not "D" fig. 1) pressure = 0.8 kg/cm². The piston of 800 cm² operates the force, causes by the pressure of water (0.8 kg/cm²).
800 (piston overrates it) X 0.8 (pressure of water) = 640 kgf This force operate the piston of outside worm the interior.

Now let us look at the force on the side opposite of piston:
- 100 kg - the weight of the mass.
- 220 kg - the force of propulsion of the springs.
Total: 100 kgf + 220 kgf = 320 kgf. This force acts on the end of the lever. In the medium of the lever (and on the piston) one will have 320 X 2 = 640 kgf.

The forces of propulsion are identical on two sides of the piston (outside and interior).
One little to leave like that. In this case in high A right (not "B") the piston will move worm the lower interior (increases the pressure of water in connection with the increase depth), and in bottom left it has will move worm outside above point "D"; (the pressure of water will decrease).

But one little also to increase the weight of the masses with 5-10-20... kg to calculate these weights it is necessary to hold account, primarily, of the losses for frictions, which comes from the springs with gas.

It is all.

[The Chili Monster]

Crawls off to die in a darkened corner somewhere.

[albert onglebod]

eh? Worms?

[Andy Hamilton]

Should I lock this section???? This is an absoulte load of rubbish and it just seems to be someone poping in and using different log in names to promote this dubious electrical tom foolery.

[ina]

I've long given up actually reading it - simply doesn't make sense to me. And this Michel, has he registered again - because he had used the same name before, and now shows as just 1 post? Mind you, if he is determined to get his stuff across, he'll just register again and start a new thread...

[Andy Hamilton]

True Ina, just not sure about giving this stuff space on the site.

Right time to do a search on Free Energy

http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/fnrg.html - so all free energy is a scam according to this site.

oh and anther site that claims all free energy is a scam http://www.scambusters.org/Scambusters45.html

Ok Micheal, all we want is proof that this is not a scam, a short mpg clip of it all working or some photos of the set up in a house/factory/office heck even on the back of a bike powering a light bulb. 72 hours then I will lock this post, do you except the challenge????

[Millymollymandy]

I hadn't looked at this thread for ages because it is all gobbledigook to me, but thought it might mean something to clever people.

[Muddypause]

As forum owner, Andy, this is entirely at your discretion. I don't think locked forums should ever be considered lightly, but it may not be unreasonable to feel that this guy is abusing your facility. I suspect some of the earlier responses he got were from some people specifically directed to the thread, since we suddenly got a few guests who we've never heard of in relation to any other topic here.

It's odd how perpetual motion machines attract a certain type of evangelical advocate. Odder stll, when you consider that none of them could possibly have witnessed the phenomenon. To those that think it's all senseless gobbldygook - I suggest there's a very good reason for that...