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A friend brought back a pack of mosquito dunks from America for me last year. They're basically a lump of dried bacteria calle (lemme just copy and paste this...) "Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies israaelenses" which just lurve mosquito larvae. A quarter of a dunk lasts a month in a rain barrell.

I'm looking at adding another downpipe from my main house roof going into a large barrell, or preferably tank, to which I'll attach soaker hoses which are buried 6" deep in the front garden. Hopefully this should help get the front garden through the hose-pip ban :(

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That's a newie on me Alcina! sounds great...

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A few grains of potassium permanganate to a full barrel of water keeps algae down, but I'm not sure if it kills mozzie larvae.

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Millymollymandy wrote:Those are the ones that we have. I think we paid about €90 new for them and about €60 for the used ones - only you have to clean them out pretty well as they are usually used for storing diesel for tractors etc. Still thinking of getting some more - after last summer's drought I want all the water I can get hold of, now, whilst it's raining!
Here's a piccy of those 1,000 litre water tanks.

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:dave: If you have a dehumidifier, keep the water that it collects and put it in you water butt.

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Lou8 wrote:Well this is probably the only advantage of living this far North - we never have to worry about a shortage of water for our gardens.
Ha! We're also in Aberdeenshire and our borehole ran dry in January after a dry summer and dry winter. With help from Grampian Fire Service, we filled our 12,500 litre tank and have put in another 3,000 litres of capacity, but we need to take it up to 20,000 litres of storage at least.

We have just enough water now for the livestock, washing clothes and washing ourselves (but rationed), while we bring drinking water in by jerry can. Various people have donated water butts and tanks, while visitors often bring water with them.

The borehole has some water in it again, but only enough to pump out a few hundred litres once a week.

We're not the only ones in this predicament as we've come across at least a score of other people with water shortages. Most are like us - at the top of a catchment so that as the water table drops, we get hit first.

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PS Rainfall figures show that in March we had 89% of average rainfall, February 70%, January 45%, December 59%, and November 112%. The Met Office is predicting higher than average temperatures for the next three months and higher than average rainfall (but it predicted more rain than was actually received over winter, too!).
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Millymollymandy wrote:Here's a piccy of those 1,000 litre water tanks.
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Ah! An IBC (although I forget what it stands for!). Does anybody know where I can purchase second hand ones of these - other than eBay? A friend of mine is after 2, and at the moment I need 3 or 4 - we've got an enormous roof area, and it seems a shame to let all that rainwater disappear away when our garden is in such desperate need of it!

I've poked around the interweb, but the only places I can find are in the North or more than 150 miles away... i was hoping for somewhere a little closer to home!
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Post: # 17781Post Stonehead »

Try http://www.smithsofthedean.co.uk/

They do tanks and drums of all descriptions, including recycled ones and they deliver (although too expensive for us up in Scotland).

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Cheer mate - I'll give them a bell tomorrow and see whats what! Will keep you posted.
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Post: # 17831Post Millymollymandy »

The DIY store up the road from me sells them for €90 new - but I realise that might be a bit far for you! :lol:

Would love to know what IBC stands for? I just call 'em water tanks!

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Stonehead wrote: With help from Grampian Fire Service, we filled our 12,500 litre tank
Is that above or below ground? That'd be enormous! :shock: What is it normally used for - collecting off the roof? Or pumping the water up from the borehole into it?

And sorry to sound dim, but is there any difference between a borehole and a well?

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Millymollymandy wrote:
Stonehead wrote: With help from Grampian Fire Service, we filled our 12,500 litre tank
Is that above or below ground? That'd be enormous! :shock: What is it normally used for - collecting off the roof? Or pumping the water up from the borehole into it?

And sorry to sound dim, but is there any difference between a borehole and a well?
It's a double-skinned, stainless steel inner, tank from an oil platform. It's sunk half into the ground.

Water is pumped from the borehole up hill to the tank and then gravity feeds to the house. It sounds a lot, but with livestock it's only enough for six to eight weeks.

The main reason for having the tank is not as an emergency reserve if the borehole runs dry, but as a fire-fighting reservoir. The nearest hydrant is more than two miles away and the pressure is often too low to quickly fill a tanker.

When a neighbouring farm burned down at the end of last year, it took 35 minutes for the fire service to arrive (retained crews) and they were unable to save the house. However, by using our water tank, they were able to save the other buildings and put the fire out. The crews were able to fill their tankers eight times and still leave water in the tank before a bowser arrived to do shuttle runs from a temporary dam in a burn (creek/stream) about two miles away.

And before we bought our croft, there was a major fire here some years back. Without water it was gutted and had to be rebuilt.

As for the differences between a borehole and well, a borehole is up to six inches in diameter and drilled by a drilling rig. It's usually at least 30 feet deep (like ours) but depending on the geology and water table it can be 200 feet deep.

A well on the other hand is dug by an excavator or back hoe (or hand in the old days) and is rarely more than 25ft deep. It's also quite wide. The usual technique is to dig a hole, drop a concrete ring in the hole and add another one to to the top. As the hole is deepened, the weight of the rings push them into the ground and you add more rings.

We really need a borehole at least 100ft deep to handle the falling water table (and even then we've been told it could fail one year in 10 given the current rainfall pattern). However, we've been quoted £5000-12,000 - depending on what happens as they drill.

We're on a faultline in granite, and the fault is filled with boulders and sand. The water is also in the faultline, so if the drill hits a granite boulder and deflects it could get stuck. Similarly, if the sand shifts and a boulder wedges onto the drill.

Well, I'll have to leave it there as the school bus is coming over the hill and I have to get the oldest away. (Am writing this outside on our wireless laptop - the wonders of technology!)

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Post: # 17855Post Wombat »

Intermediate Bulk Container! :mrgreen:

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Wombat wrote:Intermediate Bulk Container! :mrgreen:
Bingo! Nice one Nev!
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Post: # 17863Post Millymollymandy »

Thanks Stonehead and Wombat - I have learned some useful stuff today!

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