The weather

[paul123456]

Hello there ,

since Copenhagen was over and "our leaders " decided to not allow the temperature to rise more than 2 degrees, we have been freezing our Bal@$# off here .

This is not an average winter but a very cold and early one.

Just been out on our drive and the snow drifts are going towards 50 cm , looks like we are grounded for the
coming week .

Would like to know what you're conditions are , heard that Manchester did -17 this week ?
Global warming ? My ARs#!.
The same kind of scam as the Swine Flu , here in Germany the government has smelt a rat GSK.

regards ,

paul

[chilitony]

i saw a program a while ago that said the global warming would start a new ice age

[Jandra]

The winter is cold this year, indeed.

But... last time I checked it was still 'global warming' and not 'North West Europe-warming' and as far as I know climate is not quite the same as weather.

Then there's El Niña/Niño's to consider, the activity of the sun etc. In short: not one single person, be he/she a layman or scientist has the big picture of the developments. But all puzzle pieces together seem to paint a bleak picture as far as global warming is considered.

I think we'd be wise to heed the warnings. We'll have to wean ourselves off fossil fuels anyhow as the supply is limited.

Just my thoughts.

Jandra

[MuddyWitch]

Methinks people are mixing up 'weather' which is local, with global weather systems which aren't.

MW

[citizentwiglet]

Did I see on BBC Breakfast last week that, whilst we were freezing our bums off in some of Europe; Australia are having a ridiculously hot summer? I'm sure I saw a thermometer say something like 34 degrees in the middle of the night......people going to sit on the beach at night to cool down, and this guy pushing this poor, grumpy baby around in a buggy to try and cool baby down.
Say what you like - when you've got a baby, it's much easier to keep them warm on cold days than keep them cool on hot ones.

[Nomada]

Methinks people are mixing up 'weather' which is local, with global weather systems which aren't.

MW

You're right with that, besides, one cold snap doesn't make a trend. you have to look at overall trends.

[Bonniegirl]

I think we need to stop calling it Global warming, it's climate change

[brett53]

climate shift more like ?? - we had snow here in Plymouth - first for years - and i predict we may well get some more yet - as Feb /march can be tricky months weather wise

in fact it would never surprise me to get a run of colder winters from now on , not a "scientific" forecast , just a "gut " feeling ( i tend to work on these and they tend to prove reliable too surprisingly ) - so my advice ?? get used to it folks certainly in the UK

but what of the chaos caused by the dusting we had in most places ?? , agreed we have a generation of people who have never HAD to drive on snow , and the rest of us are out of practice ( i used to live on Dartmoor and have driven various types of vehicles on the stuff - so no biggie to me - mobility scooters go well on it BTW ) - but where councils and road agencies at fault for the lack of gritting , lulled into a false sense of security by a run of milder winters AND all this 'global warming" hype ??

( sorry if that offends any one - but to me there IS far too much hype attached to the whole subject , too many "experts " who have jumped on the waggon AND a whole rake of those making a nice little "earner" out of the whole paranoia - to say nothing of our politicos rubbing their hands with glee at the tax raising opportunities )

years ago there used to be grit bins sited on hills etc ,which where refilled each autumn , but now i suppose that owing to health and stupidity rules they cant be used because someone may injure themselves spreading grit - and like wise have we also become too reliant on others to get us out of a problem ?? - instead of preparing and taking responsibility for our own actions ??

a classic case was a woman caught in some snow on the TV , bitching about how her child was hungry because she got stuck for a few hours and how it "endangered " her child - well sorry lady , do you not have eyes to watch the TV , it had been snowing for days , the forecast gave snow , and you venture out in a car with nothing , no thermos , no blanket , no food for the child etc - and then whinge about it when you get caught out ?? duh oh

personal responsibility still is the rule

and whats with this b****s that snow chains cause pollution i read about some where ?? - ( mind do many younger drivers even know what they are ?? ) - ye gods

the old motto of "be prepared " is still valid - we all have ( or should have ) the brains to watch the forecasts and take sensible precautions in the event of snow - if you HAVE to drive - well then invest in a couple of sessions on a skid pan - will teach you a LOT about vehicle handling on snow and ice , and is bloody good fun too ( you can scare yourself witless in complete safety ) - carry a shovel - some grit in a bag - and stuff to keep you alive if you DO get stuck - treat every other road user as a complete and utter moron ,who is going to do something incredibly stupid at any moment ( its called defensive driving . ) and plan your journey allowing extra time

its common sense in most cases with extreme weather events - Sept it seems these days common sense ain't so common ??

sorry to go on a bit but some of the idiocy i saw on the TV during what agreed is an unusual event of late - left me shaking my head - and some of the idiocy i saw in town , like females tottering around in high heels and then wondering why they fell over leaves me speechless

rant over

[paul123456]

Hello there ,

Bonnie and Brett speak wise words .
We are in for another cold bit of weather this week , it is certainly not global warming ,
it is climate change .
So the climate change is being used as a tool to generate income for governments .
Some good news from Lidl, they will be selling LED bulbs for €3,79 .

regards ,

Paul

[Minnesota]

Strange weather here in Minnesota.
we had a cold spell, the ground is froze deep...like 3 feet
Ice on lakes...same 3 feet deep.
Christmas brought about 18 inches of snow.
since then the temperature has moderated to normal,
which is about 25 degrees F for daytime highs.
still below freezing.

yesterday, it started raining...35 deg F
still raining today, weatherman says we'll get an inch or more of rain.
it has nowhere to go, everything is froze.
it puddles in low areas and forms a little lake.
tomorrow it's suppose to freeze and turn to snow
maybe get 6 inches of snow.
WHAT A MESS !
I don't think it's part of Climate change...just strange weather.

[paul123456]

Hello there ,

yes now we are getting some where , not global warming , which the governements like to call it ,
but climate change .This is a cyclus which has been going on for zillions of years ,and the governments
want to frighten us , as if it is our fault to converse the hype into raising taxes ???????????

What if the sun gives a next burst , will that be converted into mobile phones getting the blame ?

It is a natural cycle ,what of more importance is , is the year 2012 , according to the Maya's , a very
important year , one of a big change ,in the mean time some people let the "leaders " or governements
pull the wool over their eyes .
Wake up ,

regards ,

Paul

[pumpy]

Crikey! We had some snow in winter.

[KathyLauren]

the governments
want to frighten us , as if it is our fault to converse the hype into raising taxes ???????????

I don't know why people blame the governments for hyping global warming. THEY are the ones denying it. If governments were the ones who promoted taking action to control global warming, don't you think they would have done something at Copenhagen? Nope, they have their heads planted firmly in the sand. And, for the last 30 years, governments around the world have been on an orgy of neoliberal tax cuts, not tax increases.

It ain't a natural cycle. There is no record of these conditions having occurred before. Yes, temperatures have changed up and down for various reasons. But there has never been this rapid a rise in carbon dioxide before, so it's not a cycle.

And as for the simpler question of whether it is warming or not, in my area, the frost-free period has increased steadily from 170 days in 1950 to 220 days today. That's about a 30% increase, which is quite a significant change.

[brett53]

the governments
want to frighten us , as if it is our fault to converse the hype into raising taxes ???????????

I don't know why people blame the governments for hyping global warming. THEY are the ones denying it. If governments were the ones who promoted taking action to control global warming, don't you think they would have done something at Copenhagen? Nope, they have their heads planted firmly in the sand. And, for the last 30 years, governments around the world have been on an orgy of neoliberal tax cuts, not tax increases.

er you obviously don't live in England then Keith - as the words tax and cuts just don't exist in the same universe - here we have a plethora of "stealth" and other tax rises all on the back of GW / save the planet / whatever - and actually I blame the supposed climate change scientists and promoters some of whom who are regarded as "experts" actually have no qualifications in the subject whatsoever - but have managed to con gullible politicos into believing that they know what they are talking about - throw in the motive of money and research grants - and there's your real reason for all the hype ( i remember many years ago these "experts" where all screaming MINI ICE AGE and have lived through quite a few "doomsday scenarios - so don't get too worried when the next big thing comes along )

It ain't a natural cycle. There is no record of these conditions having occurred before. Yes, temperatures have changed up and down for various reasons. But there has never been this rapid a rise in carbon dioxide before, so it's not a cycle.

probably because there was no one around to record them ?? - and please don't say ice cores , as they are a only relevant to where they where taken - a snapshot of a very small area of the planet - yes there may be more co2 about - - but what of the amounts released by natural things like when the Yellowstone caldera last popped off ?? - and the effects of large volcanic eruptions - massive fires that have occurred in the past etc - don't forget man has only been around for a comparatively short time - we have only had the tech to measure this stuff for a lot less - ever thought that maybe there may have been a global low of CO2 and it is just coincidence that we started measuring it AT that low ?? - possible

And as for the simpler question of whether it is warming or not, in my area, the frost-free period has increased steadily from 170 days in 1950 to 220 days today. That's about a 30% increase, which is quite a significant change.

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and here we have had the coldest 2 winters for 30 odd years - with more snow than usual - in other places heat waves - climate SHIFT /realignment - more than global warming methinks - may be its canada's turn to be a bit warmer and Europe's to be a bit colder - we HAVE had "cycles" of cold /warmer winters here for centuries - sea levels have varied for centuries in various parts of the world and the ice has come and gone

we still here - mankind tends to adapt to changing conditions - as they used to say during WW2

REMAIN CALM - AND CARRY ON !!

[gdb]

Erm... hang on. Dont want to spoil the fun. But from my Philosophy days, I think I can spot a flaw in the argument here:-


Premise 1. Global warming is or isnt happening. (TRUE)

Premise 2. All government's take taxes. Always have. Always will. (TRUE)

Premise 3. Some governments want to tax us in ways they claim may help combat warming. (TRUE)

Conclusion: Therefore Global Warming isnt happening. (FALSE)


Yup.

I've news for some of you.

Such a conclusion does NOT follow from those premises.