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Tax and volunteering

Post: # 143813Post Loobyloo »

Hi Folks,

My OH and I are planning to sell our worldly goods and head off round the UK Wwoofing within the next two months and we have a query we're hoping someone here will be able to shed some light on:

When we are away (probably for up to a year) we will not be earning at all so what are the implications regarding tax and NI?

Do we ned to declare that we won't be earning? Do we still need to make any contributions? If not would be eligible for any kind of rebate? (fingers crossed :wink: )

I have asked the people at Wwoof but they weren't of any help so any guidance on this would be welcomed.

Cheers!!

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Post: # 143817Post TheGoodEarth »

Are you currently self employed?

If you don't earn any money then you won't pay any tax. If you have paid tax in advance under self assessment previously then you may get a rebate next year when you submit.

If you are now on PAYE and leave jobs then you are technically unemployed. Do you plan to claim benefits?
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Post: # 143818Post Loobyloo »

Neither of us are self employed, we plan to have worked our notice by the end of April (if we have saved up enough money!) and we won't be claiming any benefits.

We'll be living on the road or with wwoof hosts so will be 'of no fixed abode' I suppose.

(getting scary as it gets closer!! :pale: :cheers: )

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Post: # 143820Post TheGoodEarth »

Sounds very exciting.

Probably best contacting your local tax office and getting them to put a note against your name to say that you will be 'unobtainable' for a year. Otherwise they will just waste resources trying to get a reply from you.
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Post: # 143821Post Green Aura »

If you're self-employed you have to pay class 2 NI contributions - gives you entitlement to some sickness benefit and such like. I know you won't be self-employed but it might be worth finding out if you should pay it for the year, by way of insurance. It's not a huge amount - just over £100 for a year.
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Post: # 143825Post Millymollymandy »

You can pay Class (whatever it is!) Voluntary Contributions for your NI, which is probably a good idea, depending on your age as this goes towards your state old age pension.

Might be an idea to send a PM to Thomzo who is an accountant and will probably be able to give you good advice.
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Post: # 143860Post Big Al »

Loobyloo wrote:Hi Folks,

My OH and I are planning to sell our worldly goods and head off round the UK Wwoofing within the next two months and we have a query we're hoping someone here will be able to shed some light on:

When we are away (probably for up to a year) we will not be earning at all so what are the implications regarding tax and NI?

Do we ned to declare that we won't be earning? Do we still need to make any contributions? If not would be eligible for any kind of rebate? (fingers crossed :wink: )

I have asked the people at Wwoof but they weren't of any help so any guidance on this would be welcomed.


Cheers!!

x

Check with http://www.directgov.co.uk for advice or ring the job centre plus as going awol for a year will mess up your pension and death benefits entitlement very quickly.


Also try to do all this as the year ends because going to early like 2 weeks before the end of a tax year or too late i.e. 2 weeks after the tax year starts causes all sorts of problems.
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Post: # 143861Post Thomzo »

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Fraid I'm not a tax expert but here's my limited understanding.

If you not earning then there is no need to pay income tax. Mandy is right about the national insurance though. If you don't have enough years' worth of contributions when you retire it might affect the pension you receive. If you've been working all your adult life and are just planning to take one year off then you are probably OK but best to check.

Here is the link to the HMRC website where there is some information about living abroad. If you still aren't sure then there are various help lines that you can call.

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/osc.htm#1

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Post: # 143888Post Graye »

You will actually be leaving work at one of the least advantageous points for tax repayments - you will be entitled to the tax you paid for the month of April only. Ask your Tax Office for a form P50, fill it in and return it with your P45, telling them that you will not be working or claiming benefits (if that's the case) for the rest of the tax year. They will send you a repayment directly to your bank account if you ask for it to be dealt with that way. When you start work again you just need to tell your new employer that you don't have a P45 - there is an estalished procedure for them to deal with this. No need to tell them anything else, they will not be interested in you if you are not in employment or self-employed.

You can't qualify for job seekers allowance as you cannot be classed as looking for work. You should strictly pay the unemployed stamp to keep your records in order but it's worth popping into your nearest office to check out the implications of paying or otherwise.

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Post: # 143904Post theabsinthefairy »

Hi guys

Wish you a great year Wwoof-ing you should have lots of fun.

For my tuppeneth worth (used to be a grey suited accountant in a previous life!) - and please - THIS IS MY OPINION. (sorry)

This is what I would do for time defined year out scenario.

Register yourselves as self employed - take your savings and treat them as income and use them in your year out - keep any receipts, travel costs etc etc, do not claim a rebate for this year when you leave your job but ask that any rebate be applied through your tax code for future years.

By being self employed and therefore self assessing your tax and NI contributions you will not be liable to pay anything during your year out, as these will only become payable by January of the year after the tax year end, for example if your year out is until April 2010, then any payments will be due by January 2011. this gives you time to find work when you return etc etc.

I don't obviously know how much you are taking with you as savings but if it is less than the current taxable levels you won't have any tax to pay on your return anyway - and you can offset any payments out against income coming in - hence keep all your travel lodging receipts etc.

Doing it this way also leaves you covered for NI and therefore any unemployment or other benefits that are NI dependent on your return. So if you come back and you don't have work, but submit a self assessment form for the year which shows you have NI payments due, and you pay them you have not 'lost' a year of NI contributions.

And in addition by not claiming any rebate in this year - and asking that it be rolled over, you can either reduce your tax due (if any) for your self assessed self employed year, or can have your tax code altered for any subsequent job and claim back your tax that way, which can be easier if you are coming back into work and need every penny you can get.

Hope this is clear - but any queries - please feel free.

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Post: # 143910Post Loobyloo »

Thanks for all your input guys, much appreciated. I have to admit to still being confused as to which is the best thing to do though! :scratch:

Will let the OH read your posts and see what he says, he's got a much better head for this sort of thing than i do :geek:

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Post: # 143943Post Graye »

I must admit to being a little fazed by the advise about registering as self employed while you are not working for a year. You are volunteering and not earning anything therefore I don't see how you can call that self-employment (the point of self-employed status is that you are trying to make a profit - even if you don't actually achieve it) and expenses can not be set off against profits when you haven't made anything. The suggestion here (I think) is to manufacture a loss in your "business" and these losses can be claimed as credits in various ways. As an ex Tax Inspector/Investigator I see an avoidance dodge in the offing but firstly I would be surprised if HMRC would let you register as self-employed (what would your business be?) and secondly they would quite likely investigate you if you then put in a claim to take advantage of "losses" by offsetting them against previous earnings. I woudl say that calling your savings "income" and manufacturing losses would then be looked at with more than a little consternation.

I COULD see a point when you would not be liable to NIC as your profits would be too low but that wouldn't give you anything as they don't award credits in those circumstances, just don't ask for unemployed contributions. If you have a reasonably good record of contributions anyway it will have little effect on your overall position, there is a little leeway in how many years you need to have paid stamps to qualify for full pensions etc. However it might affect claiming benefits when you get back so make sure you find out first. The "unemployed" stamp is minimal and probably worth paying anyway.

I would take advice before jumping in one way or the other, try the CAB if all else fails! But if you pop in to the Tax Office they will give you basic information on various scenarios, although don't expect them to come up with suggestions on how to maximise your opportunities or find tax dodges. Contact your bank so that you can claim your interest on savings to be paid tax free, then you don't need worry about claiming tax back later. Once you have finished your WWOOF year you can presumably sign on as "looking for work" but they probably won't let you claim it for your year away as you will not be job seeking.


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Post: # 143953Post theabsinthefairy »

The suggestion here (I think) is to manufacture a loss in your "business" and these losses can be claimed as credits in various ways.




That is not what I am suggesting at all, and merely suggesting a way in which it is possible not to lose a year in your NIC and PAYE history, by registering as being self employed, and you can be self employed as anything you like, not a business. I would not condone inventing income and contriving expenses against income in order to gain credits from the HMRC.

This is perhaps a matter that is subjective and deeply personal to the original poster, who is in a better position to make decisions based on their financial situation than any of us making assumptions on sketchy information.

Should the poster wish to follow up with anyone on the advice offered, perhaps via PM is more appropriate.
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