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Green Rosie wrote: I think Delia has missed 2 great opportunities:

1. She could have used her name and considerable knowledge to work on the powers that be to get cookery back into the school curriculum
yes, but then she'd be too much like Jamie Oliver- there's no love lost between those two.
Green Rosie wrote: 2. She could have structured the programme such that initially she showed how to make the packaged variety of a meal and then moved on to showing the simple step up to making the "real thing".
Anthony Worral Thompson has been ther and done it, years ago for the carlton food network. damn fine show it was too.
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Post: # 90514Post MKG »

Riff-Raff ... I hear what you're saying, but I have to disagree. It took years to get rid of the post-war "don't give me any of that foreign muck","boil cabbage until it surrenders", "what's wrong with Spam?" attitudes in Britain. Delia was, admittedly, one of the people getting rid of them. However, I have to point out that her How to Cheat book isn't her first attempt - she has published this once before - and using pre-prepared (???) mush and then shouting "Yum Yum" is a retrograde step. The woman has tried to take cookery backwards twice!!!

Mum is no longer the person whose job it is to cook the dinner. There are now many more people in this country with a genuine interest in their food than ever before, which is why Delia isn't getting away scot-free with this latest load of baloney. Sure, the geese have emptied the shelves of Delia-named products. We've always had geese and always will. Neither you nor I will ever convince some of those people that frozen mashed potato is not the second-best thing to gold. Generally speaking, though, I'm heartened by the overall increase of interested and forward-looking attitudes to food in this country. It's just that Delia's is not amongst them.

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Green Rosie wrote:
The Riff-Raff Element wrote:After all, can anyone think of anyone else on TV trying to teach even the basic skill of assembling a dish like a shephards pie?
I think Delia has missed 2 great opportunities:

1. She could have used her name and considerable knowledge to work on the powers that be to get cookery back into the school curriculum

2. She could have structured the programme such that initially she showed how to make the packaged variety of a meal and then moved on to showing the simple step up to making the "real thing".
i so agree too!

I can't believe that all these inexperienced cooks are going to spend £11 or whatever to buy the cheat ingredients!
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mrsflibble wrote:
Green Rosie wrote: I think Delia has missed 2 great opportunities:

1. She could have used her name and considerable knowledge to work on the powers that be to get cookery back into the school curriculum
yes, but then she'd be too much like Jamie Oliver- there's no love lost between those two.
Ooops - forgot about that - she could always have done this without the publicity hype of JO and still have achieved a good result - but then I suppose there is no money in that is there?
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Green Rosie wrote: 2. She could have structured the programme such that initially she showed how to make the packaged variety of a meal and then moved on to showing the simple step up to making the "real thing".
Anthony Worral Thompson has been ther and done it, years ago for the carlton food network. damn fine show it was too.
Never saw it - but I am sure with her considerable tv experience she could have come up with something better than her current offering

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Generally speaking, though, I'm heartened by the overall increase of interested and forward-looking attitudes to food in this country. It's just that Delia's is not amongst them.
There being more interest in food is not the same as people actually cooking it! "Lifestyle" cookbooks sell in their millions and yet every year the proportion of cook-chill and take-away food in people's diets rises.

And this is largely because the celebrity chefs are doing little or nothing to teach people how to cook and are interested mostly in showing how clever they are. Anyone out there ever cooked Heston Blumenthal's hamburger recipe? I cook to make part of my living and I wouldn't attempt it, or anything else in the book of his that my dear MIL bought me for Christmas.

And yet no-one knocks these guys for writing about the unacheivable, but they do just as much damage as Delia is being blamed for simply by convincing people that since they cannot make the same sorts of things themselves they might as well not bother cooking at all.

Yes I am disappointed that St Delia is throwing around frozen mash and tinned mince and calling it cooking, but that is simply an indication of how bad things have got at the simplest level of cuisine. And I don't believe that teaching cookery at school again will make any difference at all. Cooking has to be learned at home, which is precisely where French, Spanish and Italian children do it.

Hopefully now that Ms Smith has shown that there is a market for books pitched a bit lower on the skills scale we might get "Jamie's Back to Pukka Basics" or "Heston's How to Make Spag Bog." Lord knows we need something.

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Until I joined this site I had never watched any of the cooking programmes that are now on English TV, so decided to have a look. I wish I hadn't. May I suggest you send your wee wipes to them as I'm sure they would turn them into a great British dish with the rest of the cr=p
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Post: # 90627Post mrsflibble »

:lol:

I was taught basic cooking by my mum, I always spent time in the kitchen with her. when I moved out though (uni) I found I was the one person on the planet who could burn a boiled egg (don't ask).
A friend bought me Cas Clarke's "bumper student cookbook" and another one which has a picture of one student handing another one some spaghetti on the front. they had simple, cheap recipes from real ingredients and I built up from there.

BRING BACK COOKING IN SCHOOL. and for that matter, introduce useful things like how to budget, how to read a bank statement rather than shove it in a drawer, how to re-set a trip switch and how to change a tap washer.
even if soph goes to school she will be taught these things at home by me and James because we both think it's important.
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Having been a victim of GCSE Food technology a few years ago I have reservations about the introduction of cooking classes to schools. Cooking, surprisingly enough is how to cook food, but it is not a academic subject therefore very unlikely to be accepted onto the national curriculem. Food technology is not how to cook food it is about the sudy of fields surrounding the preparation of food, therefore an accademic subject and what will be pushed instead of cooking.

For those who left school a little while ago let me give some examples of Food Tech lessons:

1. Entering lists and quantities of ingredients from cook books onto computer programs to work out the exact amount of all minerals in the finnished dish (this was done every week, yawn).
2. Design a ready meal (don't waste time cooking it).
3. Design the marketing for your ready meal.
4. Design the packaging for your ready meal (points 2 - 4 should take a whole term).
5. Attend a lecture on the different ways an egg can be cooked (I have never been to anything so boring).

All in all for my Food Tech GCSE, a two year course, two classes every week, I cooked eight times (might have been ten, can't remember exactly). An utter waste of time and I sincerley hope things have changed in the few years since I left.

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Even if they are re-introducing "proper" cooking - I heard it's going to be something enormous like 6 or 8 lessons for each child!!! :shock: They can hardly learn how to do the washing up in that time!
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I did cookery at school for 3 years in the 70s. I never learnt HOW to cook. We just learnt (i.e. copied the teacher) how to make a few dishes such as Queen of Puddings and Cornish Pasty, and I vaguely remember making some puff pastry, which I've never made again since or ever intend to. I also vaguely remember copying down stuff from the blackboard about amino acids (whatever they are!).

My mum taught me the basics of how to actually cook, years later!

Cookery lessons at school way back then didn't teach me how to cook at all, so not much difference from today then!

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LOL - Old Fella you have made my day! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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The modern Food Tech lessons sound appalling.
I, too, learned to cook at school in the 1970s, and I remember making the puff pastry, and swiss roll from scratch. I've never attempted either since. I also remember a disastrous Spanish omelette (so much for 'foreign muck') and the teacher being at a loss when I couldn't think of a vegetarian dish to cook - her first suggestion was Scotch egg! I did pass the O level, though, and we did cook something every week. I made the family Christmas cake two years running.
I wasn't allowed in the kitchen at home, except to help with the washing up - that was my gran's domain, and when she finally left the family home to move into her own cottage, my mum couldn't cook, either!
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ahemmm, polish's up Home Economics prize...

It was the inital trial of GCSE's ( mid 80's) called the 16 plus. A mix of theory and practical. and the results were submitted to the CSE and "O" level boards.

At four times during the year we had to go into the class given a task and plan a meal the week before we actually had to cook it.

So like using your skills make a 2 course meal for four using....meat , or eggs, for vegans or leftovers I remember.

You had two hours and you had to do everything from scratch and you had to plan everything down to the minute in advance. It really taught you the value of planning, knowing that in that 5 minutes of waiting you can prep the next thing or do the washing up etc. It was really good skills. I did it because back then I wanted to be a chief, and it was a good grounding. THen at othertimes you did theory, nutrition, and I remember we also had an ironing practical.....
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Post: # 90766Post marshlander »

We had two guests staying with us about 18 months ago, both of whom were cookery teachers who were visiting schools on the back of the jamie oliver campagne.

They had a huge lorry with sides that dropped down to reveal a kitchen. The idea was the school students would visit a class at a time and be interested enough for the school to start classes.

At the time, some schools not far from here didn't even have a kitchen for school lunches!

Anyway, we chatted for ages over dinnner about the lack of home ecconomics classes and so on and I remember being hugely disappointed at the food they were planning to 'cook' with the kids. Ready made wraps with chesse salad inside was one thing I recall and smoothies I think (?). Ah, just realised Delia cheats for kids! :lol:

They told us they had to make food that was like takeaways or the kids wouldn't be interested. :cry:
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Post: # 90770Post ina »

I had heard about these mobile cooking classes and thought they were a good idea - but this changes my mind about them! :( Why bother?
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