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Post: # 87419Post kiwirach »

I've been pondering my plans for the future and am of the opinion that i will never be able to afford my patch of earth....certainly not in this country, and most likely not in NZ as well, if i was to return there.

I was wondering, does anyone rent their patch?....by that i mean house and garden, can keep chooks etc. have you been settled for yrs?

I really want to get out of the city and settle in a rural community, but am beginning to think you need loads of money to get to a point where you dont need much money :roll:

maybe i should not ponder so much :shock: :lol:

if you're renting the good life, i'd love to hear from you.
many thanks :flower:

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Post: # 87422Post hamster »

Someone I know on another forum sold their house to move to a rented cottage in the country and doesn't regret it at all!

I know exactly how you feel. My current plan is 'live in a box then move up north', though I still despair of ever being able to afford to buy anywhere (or at least anywhere I want to live). I reckon you could still grow a fair amount of veg and keep a few hens in a decent-sized (sub)urban garden (possibly with an allotment as well), but we want pigs, so.... (I also want to be a long way from any motorways and shopping centres.)

Rental markets are a bit screwed in the country, though. I could rant for ages about the housing market in rural areas, but I won't. I'd have thought it would be fairly tricky, although not impossible, to find somewhere affordable to rent, as most landowners can make more by selling off property or renting it out for holiday lets.

I know it's possible to rent land separately, though couldn't tell you how to go about it! Lots of people with horses do it. So if you could find a house in a rural area, you might still be able to rent a field and grow stuff or keep livestock on it, but not pay the premium for a property that has its own land.

Some people also move to France or Ireland where property with land is quite a bit cheaper, if that was something that appealed to you. Or consolidating with friends or family? (I'd be happy to buy somewhere with my parents, but don't know how the bf would feel about this...)

Sorry, this isn't massively helpful. But I share your frustration!
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Post: # 87429Post marshlander »

There are often houses with land to rent and sometimes free accommodation in return for work in Permaculture magazine. How about this for £15,000?:flower:

FOR SALE: RUINED HOUSE and land (negotiable) on south facing slope in amazing valley in the Pyrenees.
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We own our house which has large garden but we also rent 2 acres from a farmer. I think if we moved again, that's what I would look for - a nice cottage with a nearby field which I would look to rent.
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Post: # 87501Post kiwirach »

thanks for your replies so far.

i can go down the allotment road for the time being, but long term, i dont want to live in a one bed flat on a railway line(beside it really :wink: ) in north london for ever.

i'd be very happy to go live in Ireland....not sure about france....i'm a chicken when it comes to second languages!.

like you hamster, i want pigs as well as chooks long term....i'm looking to ulitmately be self reliant, and i cant do that here.

i shall definately keep the idea of a separate home and land in the back of my mind, should i not find anything together.

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Post: # 87502Post kiwirach »

marshlander wrote:There are often houses with land to rent and sometimes free accommodation in return for work in Permaculture magazine. How about this for £15,000?:flower:

FOR SALE: RUINED HOUSE and land (negotiable) on south facing slope in amazing valley in the Pyrenees.
off to google Permaculture magazine, but if you see this, could you add a link incase i have trouble....many thanks.

ETA...managed to find it all by myself :lol: ...have brought the current issue and a couple of back issues. :cheers:

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Post: # 87516Post Stonehead »

I lived in a one-bed flat in south-east London, then shared a two-up, two-down with the Other Half in E17. I quit work, renovated the house (doing most of the work myself, but making sure it was top notch) and then we sold up.

We rented in Oxfordshire and North Yorkshire, keeping our capital intact until we found the croft. It only took five years searching.

Even then, we only just had enough money for the 25% deposit the mortgage provider wanted and we had to have a third of the mortgage as interest only. It means that when the OH's retirement comes up we'll have to sell up or find some money from somewhere.

But, it also means we were able to move to the croft while the boys were little and while we were fit and healthy enough to do all the hard work by hand.

I'd much rather have 25 years of bloody hard work, no money and happy kids, then have what appears to be a decent salary and be stuck in suburbia or the inner city.

About the only wary note I'd sound is to think very carefully about what you want from a place.

In hindsight, we should have stuck to the original plan and bought more land with a rundown house for about £25-30,000 less than we paid for the croft. We could have then sunk that money into a wind turbine, PV panels and a used electric van (eg a Kangoo Electrique) for commuting/shopping trips. (Keeping the Defender for heavy haulage and family outings.)

The monthly savings on energy (electricity, heating oil and diesel) could then have been ploughed back into the house over the following 10 years or so. Even allowing for maintenance and replacement costs, we would still have been ahead by about £180-200 a month. (Enough over the past four years to have paid for a tractor, more fencing and pig arcs, and still spend a grand or two on the house.)

What we actually did was buy less land with a good house — and paid for the privilege. We had enough money left over for solar hot water, which has helped, but it's proved extremely difficult to keep energy costs low enough to have money to spend elsewhere. And we certainly don't have the money for micro-generation now.

As to why we shifted from the plan, well, you'd have to talk to the Other Half... :wink:

She does agree with me now, though. :roll: :mrgreen:
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Post: # 87518Post Gytrash »

I used to see people writing letters to magazines and stuff saying 'I want to live the Good Life but can't afford to buy a smallholding in the country'. And felt exactly the same way!

But, I've come to realise that I've got things pretty well sussed atm! :mrgreen:

I live in suburbia - I've got broadband, I can walk to the shops, I can get a bus into town and cheap taxi back to go clubbing (for the rare occasions when I actually want to go clubbing!). I can walk to the library. I can travel around the county all day on the buses for £2:70. I can walk to my archery class. I can walk to several pubs (and stagger back!).
And I aren't tempted anymore to look for land and build a new house in 'the countryside', leaving it free of at least one more building!

AND!
I can grow armfuls of veggies organically on my allotment for a measley 40 quid a year.
If I want to keep and rear livestock, my allotment society lets people keep poultry.
Using that ancient networking tool - 'shooting the breeze with Friends-Of-A-Friend' - I've met half a dozen people in the last few years who would rent me fields, and cheaply, should I want them for sheep/goats/cows/alpacas/whatever.

I used to think that my 'dream life' would be on a smallholding in the middle of nowhere. But I've got the best of both worlds really.

My house is rented (a little 'cottage' on a suburban riding school). I don't even own my van, I rent it (business lease).

I don't own much really... I could fit my life into two transit vans!

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Post: # 87523Post Stonehead »

Gytrash wrote:I don't own much really... I could fit my life into two transit vans!

:dave:
Until I hit my 30s, I was able to fit my life into a rucksack. Then I met the Other Half. Yes, I'll blame her again... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Post: # 87526Post Gytrash »

Stonehead wrote:
Gytrash wrote:I don't own much really... I could fit my life into two transit vans!

:dave:
Until I hit my 30s, I was able to fit my life into a rucksack. Then I met the Other Half. Yes, I'll blame her again... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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I know what you mean, mate. My stuff would fit in the boot of a small Japanese runabout... :wink: :mrgreen:

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Stonehead wrote: Until I hit my 30s, I was able to fit my life into a rucksack. Then I met the Other Half. Yes, I'll blame her again... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Does she ever read this? :shock:

Funny, but every time I move I need a bigger vehicle. I arrived in Scotland just over 10 years ago with a suitcase and a rucksack. Last time I moved we had a horsebox and at least 10 car loads... And I've increased my possessions since then! That's the problem - once you have a house, you have to fill it with furniture... And the garage and shed "want" to be full, too.

But anyway, I'm still awaiting the miracle that'll allow me to buy some hole to live in... Most places to rent are furnished, and therefore extremely awful. Most don't even allow you to keep pets (even in the country!); and they are incredibly expensive anyway. The problem is in this country that almost all buildings are refurbished before being put on the market. That means you have to pay for the new stuff that's been put in (bathroom, kitchen, floors etc), which 9 times out of 10 is not to your liking - so if you have the money, you'll rip it all out, and pay again for stuff you like. If you don't have the money - tough luck, you'll live in stuff you hate for the rest of your life. But as there is such a shortage of houses, there'll always be people who pay these inflated prices. And folk with little money have no chance to ever own their own place.
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Post: # 87535Post Gytrash »

ina wrote: And folk with little money have no chance to ever own their own place.

Like me!

I can afford to rent places that I could never afford to buy!

Unfortunately, as you said, the owners of rented properties rarely allow 'pets', let alone 'animals' :(

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Oh, and no kids, no DSS, no smoking, no gas fires... :roll:
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ina wrote:
Stonehead wrote: Until I hit my 30s, I was able to fit my life into a rucksack. Then I met the Other Half. Yes, I'll blame her again... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Does she ever read this? :shock:
If she kicks my butt in the next 24 hours, yes. If not, I'll still be nervous... :mrgreen:
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kiwirach wrote:
marshlander wrote:There are often houses with land to rent and sometimes free accommodation in return for work in Permaculture magazine. How about this for £15,000?:flower:

FOR SALE: RUINED HOUSE and land (negotiable) on south facing slope in amazing valley in the Pyrenees.
off to google Permaculture magazine, but if you see this, could you add a link incase i have trouble....many thanks.

ETA...managed to find it all by myself :lol: ...have brought the current issue and a couple of back issues. :cheers:
http://www.permaculture.co.uk/main2.html 'solutions for sustainable living'
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