HUGE greenhouse

[Annpan]

Ina, you know you are welcome anytime

I don't have a man with a van... but I do know a lady with an old ambulance who has offered her assistance

About the foundations...hmmm... we have a BIIIIGGG garden(80m x 11m), but our house is terraced, so everything has to come through the house - hence the patio slabs thought (plus we have some lying around) we have plenty of damp membrane around too.

I was hoping to be able to put it at the back of the garden, which is uphill from the house... and has some mole hills at the moment. I hadn't thought of the glass breaking etc. if the ground settles... Not so good...

I will have to have a better plan....

[gigglybug]

My OH thinks you may have to get planning permission for something that size

[Annpan]

Bugger

[Smooth Hound]

I think youll find that if it doesnt have footings and its a certain distance from you boundary and not over a certain hieght then youll be ok, as it is a tempory building if its on the ground or patio, and i would have thought that if the slabs that the building is actually sitting on, ie the ones the walls are actually sitting on, are very stable with a bit of cement under them , then that would be good enough.

[Annpan]

well in that case

This roller coaster is making me feel queezy

[Annpan]

I have been trying to down load the answer to the following question on my local government website ' Do I need a building warrent for an agricultural greenhouse?' but the PDF file won't load on my puter

I found this on another council site though (I think it was an NI council)

Generally you will not need a Building Warrant to build a single storey building of less than 30 square metres in area. However, you will need a Building Warrant if the structure you want to build:

is more than 30 square metres in area;
is within one metre of the house and less than one metre from any boundary; or
contains a fixed combustion appliance or sanitary facilities.
Generally, you do not need a Building Warrant to build a single storey carport, covered area or greenhouse. However, you will need a Building Warrant if the structure you want to build:

i) is more than 30 square metres in area; or

ii) contains a fixed combustion appliance or sanitary facilities.

So if I can cut down the size a bit and keep it a meter from the boundary... I might be alright

I'll do more research when I have the time... Busy, busy, busy...

[ina]

I don't have a man with a van... but I do know a lady with an old ambulance who has offered her assistance

Handy - just in case somebody gets hurt while working on the greenhouse...

[Annpan]

Update -

We went to see the greenhouse today, to see if it is do-able (the lovely lady who owns it really hadn't a clue)

There is lots more glass than I'd imagined,(20% smashed but the lady assured us that she had more we could help ourselves to) the frame itself is only 2"x 1" or there-abouts, and is in large sections - 3m by 2m. It is a 70's /80's design, (not the victortian style that I had imagined) and it looks like it has been there for 10 -15 years... all the bolts are painted over.

The glass looks easy to remove, does anyone have any ideas as to how I could move 60+, (30" x18") glass panes? preferabley without loosing a large amount of blood, or at least, any limbs...

JohnM s still not on side 100% so any thoughs on how to convince him would be most welcome too

[ina]

JohnM s still not on side 100% so any thoughs on how to convince him would be most welcome too

Send him away on a holiday with the wee one, get a lot of friends in to help, and do it!

No idea about the transport, though.

[oldfella]

Annpan


Use your slabs and leave a gap between them, on top the slabs lay a wood beam 4x2 will be OK to sit your greenhouse on ( to cut down the size leave out some side panels) through the the 4x2 put anchor bolts to to the ground, to make your anchor bolts you only need to to put about 12 around the building, you will need 8pcs of metal 1ft long with a hole the size of the bolt in the centre, and you place them under your slab with the bolt up through the gap, afterwards you bury the slabs. Remember to put your bolts though the metal before you put them under the slabs. The metal needs to be only 1in wide and 1/8 thick

Is the Glass puttied in? if it is then don't try to take it out you have no chance.
GO for it girl you can"t lose; But be very carefull a 2x1 frame sounds very fragile to me

[Annpan]

Cheers Oldfella

The glass isn't puttied in, it is held in place, with some wooden straps running up the length of the frame, each opening has three panes, held together with those glass clips (they sit on the lower piece of glass and hold the upper one up)

thanks for the advice on the beams and anchors... it is currently on railway sleepers, we had realised we needed to do something similar. Would you recommend wraping the beams with a dpc, to avoid them being damaged over time... also means if you were to bury the slabs, as you suggest you wouldn't have earth in contact with the wood.

Yes the frame looks very fragile, we thought over time we could strengthen it, but tbh when we looked it yesterday in the fierce wind it actually seemed quite stable.

I think I have John on side now (or there abouts) - I'm a dreamer (with elbow grease, and a can-do attitude) and he's a realist... We make a good team though

[oldfella]

If you can afford get treated timber it is the best in the long run, but the difference in price may work out OK if you have to buy the dpc. If it fairly simple to take out the glass do so and clean it before you lay it flat if you leave little bits of grit on the glass surface you will break lot of glass. As the panel are only 3x2 mts without the glass you should have no problem moving it, a couple or so fit young fellas should be able to manage it ( with you of course doing the( LEFT HAND DOWN A BIT;;;; NO THE OTHER LEFT HAND) bit that women do so well Lots of luck

Eddy

[ina]

I think I have John on side now (or there abouts) - I'm a dreamer (with elbow grease, and a can-do attitude) and he's a realist... We make a good team though

Brilliant - that's 90% of the battle won!

[Annpan]

If you can afford get treated timber it is the best in the long run, but the difference in price may work out OK if you have to buy the dpc. If it fairly simple to take out the glass do so and clean it before you lay it flat if you leave little bits of grit on the glass surface you will break lot of glass. As the panel are only 3x2 mts without the glass you should have no problem moving it, a couple or so fit young fellas should be able to manage it ( with you of course doing the( LEFT HAND DOWN A BIT;;;; NO THE OTHER LEFT HAND) bit that women do so well Lots of luck

Eddy

Ha ha Eddy, chance would be a fine thing... I can pull my weight... you better believe it... no back seat for me, sleeves rolled up and in at the deep end

[Marc]

The best way to transport big sheets of glass without breaking it is standing on edge. I have often carried a big stack in a van, resting against the side or front of van. Use some pieces of wood , carpet or something else fairly soft, underneath and between glass and side. You can carry quite a lot together this way but you need to make absolutely sure that it the whole lot cannot fall over!! using strong boxes, bags of compost etc to hold it in place.
I should think you could probably re-build it shorter than it is now, with a little modification. Will be quite a job, but great when it's finished. Good luck

Marc