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Post: # 84548Post Martin »

a thought just struck me! :geek:
In another thread, it was suggested that "preparedness" was a sensible thing..... obviously that will mean different things for different people and circumstances, but it made me think of "power blackout shelters", rather along the lines of "air raid shelters" :dave:
Having proved to myself when caravanning that the only power we NEED can be provided by a tiny solar panel, and some form of heating - would it not be sensible to perhaps look at super-insulated home-built back-garden shelters for the family? So when the big plug is pulled, the gas is cut off, and the electricity fails, you just toddle down the garden, and take up residence in your mini "passiv haus" - perhaps straw bale to give super-insulation at a low price - with a very minimal solar pv system to give basic lighting, and power for radio, small portable tv.........for a very small outlay you'd then have some of the essential basics - a roof over your head, warmth in winter, and some basic "communications" - add some food and water......... :wink:
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Post: # 84566Post Smooth Hound »

Its going to be the stopping the unprepared folk stealing it all that worries me, but in principal i agree it makes perfect sense.
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Post: # 84574Post ina »

I think all new builds should be done according to Passivhaus standards nowadays... No excuse not to. Only, I suppose that's too much regulation for the British. :roll:

Then all you'd need is a few wind-up torches, and a Kelly kettle!
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Post: # 84591Post mrsflibble »

and a double barrelled rifle to fend off the neighbours.
oh how I love my tea, tea in the afternoon. I can't do without it, and I think I'll have another cup very
ve-he-he-he-heryyyyyyy soooooooooooon!!!!

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Post: # 84604Post Jandra »

Assuming most people live in houses that are already relatively dry and insulated, I'd go for a way to partition off part of a room (straw bales would work), so that you can manage to heat it with minimal resources. Rather than creating a new shelter.

Suppose all services got cut off; what would you need most? My guess would be: safe drinking water. Next food, and then shelter. Admittedly I myself still haven't purchased on of those water purifiers you can buy at the outdoor sports store, but I think clean water should be a priority if you wanted to prepare.

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Post: # 84623Post baldowrie »

Why toddle outside into the garden, why not just move into one room, beds and all, preferably one that has a wood burning stove minimum or with an old fashioned range for heat and cooking. Should it become necessary I would pay out for my range to be recommissioned.

As for making water safe for drinking, mains water will fail as it requires a pumping station. I am on private water, no pumping, so I will just boil it and store it for drinking.

Just a question, what use will a TV be? No channels will be broadcast unless they have back up power for the antennae etc. :mrgreen:

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Post: # 84672Post Smooth Hound »

I like those water purifiers that is like a barrel , which you pull along from a water source and by the time you get where you are going the water is clean. although you might have to pull it a mile :lol: i agree water is no one.
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Post: # 84697Post mrsflibble »

Balowdrie: transistor radio? or a wind up one? just in case o emergency broadcasts...
oh how I love my tea, tea in the afternoon. I can't do without it, and I think I'll have another cup very
ve-he-he-he-heryyyyyyy soooooooooooon!!!!

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I've got a wood burner, loads of trees and a half acre pond, so I'll be alright Jack! :mrgreen:

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Post: # 84708Post baldowrie »

mrsflibble wrote:Balowdrie: transistor radio? or a wind up one? just in case o emergency broadcasts...
already have wind up as we regularly have day long power black outs :lol: Although as are we are in a broadcast black out area I can only get one station!

Plus if it's really an extensive power cut we move into the caravan, dogs and all, were we have heating, cooking and lighting powered by battery (solar charged)...heating and cooking provided the gas is full up :wink:

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Post: # 84710Post Martin »

I'm a land-yacht man myself...........(caravan to the uninitiated) :mrgreen:
I've also got a small converted gas bottle "burn anything" stove that I could soon bung in should gas become unavailable :dave:
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Post: # 84712Post baldowrie »

Martin wrote:I'm a land-yacht man myself...........(caravan to the uninitiated) :mrgreen:
I've also got a small converted gas bottle "burn anything" stove that I could soon bung in should gas become unavailable :dave:
That sounds interesting.

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Post: # 84740Post Annpan »

Ummm... I am some what confused :?

My wood burner takes care of most things -
boil the kettle,
cook stews/ soups,
heat the room and heat water for cleaning (currently just in a giant pot)

We have a wind up radio, and a wind up lantern...

This is the way we live day to day anyway...We don't have gas or oil, only electricity, and we often get power cuts.

We have still to have the insulation sorted and have solar water... preferably gravity fed.
Also want to put in a solar panel to run a 12volt lighting circuit...
We could get some copicing going to provide enough fuel.

Not really sure why I would want to leave my home and move into a shelter?

I mean we are not talking nuclear fallout are we... in which case I would prefer to be as near the epicentre as possible, so I atleast don't have to deal with the aftermath... then die 6 months later anyway, of some hideous painfull skin bubbling problem.


As for shooting your neighbours :shock:
I'd invite our neigbour to stay, as long as they brought things to share... we could rent out rooms :lol:

we'd be fine

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Post: # 84744Post justskint »

Having read these pages I think you might be overeacting somewhat, the day might come of course but, it might not be in our time. If and when it does come life would be completely and utterly miserable, no point in depressing yourselves!

I prefer to concentrate on local issues, ie the financial waste and inadequacies of faceless of local council bureaucrats, fighting a losing battle perhaps but, it's one way of channelling your aggression. I constantly blogg the council website, write to the local paper, I do get results but I am one person on his own.

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Post: # 84745Post Martin »

When contemplating the "garden shelter", I particularly had urban areas in mind (and probably having recently watched a "Time Team" featuring WW2 air raid shelters had an influence too) - instead of sheltering from bombs, It would provide a safe "nest" for one's family, particularly in the colder months of the year should fuel supplies dry up - us country-dwellers have it relatively easy, and often have space for a caravan or similar. For those in an urban area lucky enough to have the traditional large back garden it would be possible to also grow a fair amount of food as they did during the last war.
Probably not total self-sufficiency, but getting on that way! :wink:
Unlike most of the measures suggested by government and their apologists, I'm not talking of something imposed from above, and using manufactured articles, I'm thinking of grassroots "cheap as chips, skip-diving, recycle old stuff" sort of builds - an extension of "shed culture"......driven by the public themselves - above all else it could be FUN - as well as potentially very useful :dave:
I'm sure the really resourceful could manage it for no financial outlay at all - the equivalent of a few month's depreciation on the average motor car could add "luxuries" like a small area of solar panels, battery, lighting etc...... :cooldude:

Oh well - dream on........... :dave:
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