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mrsflibble wrote: I don't know whether I'm more pleased that I'm seeing another doctor I know from past experience, or whether it's 'cos she's fat hahaha!!!
I know just what you mean... All those blimming bean stalks telling you "just eat less", just do this or that, well, you have to have smaller portions, just have more exercise (yeah right, after working all day on the farm :roll: ) - and they really have absolutely no idea what they are talking about! I have an appointment with the nutritionist/dietician this afternoon; she's a nice woman, but she is also thin as a stick and quite clearly has never been where I am. I'd be much happier with somebody who shows that they've been there, done that, and got out the other end.

heh not all beanstalks are like that :lol:

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Mrs f sending you mega big hummungus hugs, I hope you get more sensible and helpfull treatment from the other GP.Depression and stress can cause you to experience frightening symptoms and even when you feel on a relatively even keel strange things can happen out of the blue.What works for me is to be a bit silly, naming my courgettes after the members of Led Zeppelin {if they get blossom end rot I can blame the rock n roll lifestyle!] and also spending as much time as possible out of doors in the daylight. I also take my medication to get me through the bad patches because I know it is only tempory and summer will [sort of ] return.I was stunned by your GPs attitude but alas it seems that being a wee bit overweight is seen as a crime by the body fascists.I think if you sat in a crowded place and looked around that quite a number of the people there with you would have mental health worries too so you are not alone allthough you may feel so.However we are all individuals and need individual and constructive care.I suspect that if each person here who has been depressed had a pound for each time they were told to pull themselves together we could buy that paradise isle. More hugs and love Tiggy and :cat:

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I can't really suggest anything that would help but here's a big hug for you and good luck. You're a wonderful, strong woman and I know you will get through this.

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ina wrote:I know just what you mean... All those blimming bean stalks telling you "just eat less", just do this or that, well, you have to have smaller portions, just have more exercise (yeah right, after working all day on the farm :roll: ) - and they really have absolutely no idea what they are talking about! I have an appointment with the nutritionist/dietician this afternoon; she's a nice woman, but she is also thin as a stick and quite clearly has never been where I am. I'd be much happier with somebody who shows that they've been there, done that, and got out the other end.
gosh, what a lot of assumptions you make. how do you know she's never had a weight problem? on the other hand, if she's stick thin, it may be that she has a weight problem at the other end of the scale. i'm often accused of 'not having to worry about what i eat' if people don't realise i used to be a bit of a podge. but nothing could be further from the truth; it's bloomin' hard work getting/staying slim and i still think about everything i eat or drink. you never get out the other end - you swim bliddy hard for a while and then spend the rest of your life treading water....

...but i don't think i've ever been happier since i lost weight.

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Oops. sorry - no , I know not all thin people don't have a problem with eating. And no, she's not THAT thin, either. I do have a friend who once told me she has midnight binges, and worried about them - but she was still a very healthy, slim person! The food simply didn't stick to her ribs. However, there are some (and I've met a few of them) out there who do go on about how easy it all were if we'd just pull ourselves together and eat less... And when I see their diet, it makes me sick: junk, sugar, stuff I'd hardly ever touch. Some of my colleagues are like that, too (although at least, having had to do with nutrition in animals, they know that not all animals are the same with respect to weight gain and loss - even human animals - and they don't give me "valuable" advice).
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I'm off the fat pills. standing running a bath and having oil running down my legs (and staining my bathroom rug grrr) with no warning at all (not even a fart) has ended them for me. Also, I seemed to have a sickly smell aroudn me. James claims he didn't smell it but I could, and I think soph could too because she cuddled up to me yesterday, sniffed me and said "mummy smell like mine now" (we tend to sniff her and tell her she smells like ours so I know it's a loving compliment) I'm going back to what I was doing before, only doing it better hahaha! more fruit and veg, more walking when I can get out of the house, stairs if I can't, lower fat and only visiting Cosmo's Cafe once a fortnight instead of every time I go into town.

Dr M who prescribed the pills is generally a good doctor, he knows all about thyroid conditions (or at least I thought he did) and he's the bloke who did James's vasectomy... but I'm actually looking forward to seeing
Dr A because for one thing she's a she, and for another I'm hoping that being a larger lady herself, she wont judge me for my weight and will actually listen to me about what I'm there for. she was recommended by the receptionist as the second best in mental health matters at the surgery. the best person to speak to, Dr D, isn't available until november 'cos he's doing charity work or somesuch. I couldn't wait until nov. ating until 10th sept is hard because I know I'll start to tell myself there's nothing wrong again.

I'm also going to start writing a diary again.

oh, and Tea's a beanpole and she's never judged me :lol:
oh how I love my tea, tea in the afternoon. I can't do without it, and I think I'll have another cup very
ve-he-he-he-heryyyyyyy soooooooooooon!!!!

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mrsflibble wrote:I'm off the fat pills. standing running a bath and having oil running down my legs (and staining my bathroom rug grrr) with no warning at all (not even a fart) has ended them for me. Also, I seemed to have a sickly smell aroudn me. James claims he didn't smell it but I could, and I think soph could too because she cuddled up to me yesterday, sniffed me and said "mummy smell like mine now" (we tend to sniff her and tell her she smells like ours so I know it's a loving compliment) I'm going back to what I was doing before, only doing it better hahaha! more fruit and veg, more walking when I can get out of the house, stairs if I can't, lower fat and only visiting Cosmo's Cafe once a fortnight instead of every time I go into town.

Dr M who prescribed the pills is generally a good doctor, he knows all about thyroid conditions (or at least I thought he did) and he's the bloke who did James's vasectomy... but I'm actually looking forward to seeing
Dr A because for one thing she's a she, and for another I'm hoping that being a larger lady herself, she wont judge me for my weight and will actually listen to me about what I'm there for. she was recommended by the receptionist as the second best in mental health matters at the surgery. the best person to speak to, Dr D, isn't available until november 'cos he's doing charity work or somesuch. I couldn't wait until nov. ating until 10th sept is hard because I know I'll start to tell myself there's nothing wrong again.

I'm also going to start writing a diary again.

oh, and Tea's a beanpole and she's never judged me :lol:
as i have told you thousands of time before i will syphon your excess fat and put it in my boobs :lol:

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hahahahahahaha! I'd gladly give it too!
oh how I love my tea, tea in the afternoon. I can't do without it, and I think I'll have another cup very
ve-he-he-he-heryyyyyyy soooooooooooon!!!!

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Anyway, on with it.
if you were a GP and an overweight patient came to you and said "dr, I'm scared about my mental health" what would you do?
I only had to read this bit. Honey you have thyroid problems I know because we nearly lost my mum cause she was not diagnosed....very long story. Me and my whole family have it we are hypothyroid (under active) and have adrenal problems too which is all connected. Now thing is I tell people about it who I know have this problem (you can tell by the problems they have and just looking at them) and put them in contact with my mum who is a metabolic adviser and she can then give them all the information they need to get themselves better inc contact details of and excellent thyroid Dr. However lots of people just don't want to know they have the test and say they are all clear...the tests don't work I myself didn't believe when my mum first told me i was suffering. I can tell you all the symptoms I can go through as much as I know but unless you want to hear I am not going to ram it down your throat. Oh and yes having a thyroid issue can cause mental problems especially depression. So if you want some help pm me and I will help you as much as I can.

Take care and HUGE HUGS for you honey xx

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thanks Kelly, I am already diagnosed with hypothyroidism and so's my mum, both my aunts and their mum. I'm currently on 50mg (microgram) thyroxine tablets per day, and I know a lot about the condition. yes, it causes depression but it's not know to cause hallucinations or mania as far as I know, but thankyou for the offer of help. it means a lot.
I would like to be referred back to an endocrinologist because during pregnancy they picked up a lack of communication between my pituitary and my thyroid; but never investigated it.
Like you if I hear the same list of symptoms I tend to let people know too; it's not a fun condition to live with and the treatment in most cases is fairly simple. I'm about 40% vitiligo from maladjustment of my condition since my late teens. It's so hard getting GPs to listen about that too, I was just below borderline when I was 17 but was having massive symptoms. it only got properly diagnosed when I was pregnant and even then I had to push to get a diagnosis. :angryfire: my sister is starting to display symptoms too, mum's going to get her looked at soon as she's only 11.
oh how I love my tea, tea in the afternoon. I can't do without it, and I think I'll have another cup very
ve-he-he-he-heryyyyyyy soooooooooooon!!!!

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tea690 wrote:as i have told you thousands of time before i will syphon your excess fat and put it in my boobs :lol:
Want a bit more? I'll gladly contribute... :roll:
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You would be surprised what it can cause my mum was completely out of it and on that medication alone your thyroid is not being treated properly you have to treat the whole thing. Thyroxin for a start is full of fillers and confectioners sugar which when given with thyroid medication stop it working if nothing ask if you can be changed to eltroxin the only reason they don't use it is that it is more expensive. I would be skeptical of that dose too not being rude but look at your weight for example IF you was on the right dose then a diet would work when I lived in Bermuda I was eating 1 bowl of cereal Mon to Fri then eating normal at the weekends that's how much I have to do to get down to 10 stone. If you thryoid isn't working properly neither is your metabolism. There are many things you need to do not just take meds one of which is to eat a caveman diet meat/veg/potatoes this will help your thyroid.

Anyway I will leave it at that unless I hear from you on the pm

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Hi Mrs F,

What you are going through sounds terrible, and I really really feel for you. I have experienced depression, but nothing like yours. But what helped me, and still does help me is to listen to music. I have to literally force myself to listen to it, but it somehow makes me feel better.

Your symptoms sound like bipolar. Has anyone mentioned this to you before?

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yep. my mum. that's why I'm getting help.
oh how I love my tea, tea in the afternoon. I can't do without it, and I think I'll have another cup very
ve-he-he-he-heryyyyyyy soooooooooooon!!!!

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Oh, mrsfibble. I feel for you, I really do. You need so many hugs right now, and if I were there I would give you them all. I have suffered from some of the symptoms you describe in the past - terrible depression, paranoia (mild in my case) and agoraphobia. The agoraphobia was just while we lived at a certain address, in a horrible, horrible neighbourhood where we didn't fit in. I was terrified that if I went out my home would be vandalised or burned down before I got back (this wasn't the paranoia - people were actually trying to do this!). It's an awful situation to be in, and I can't imagine how much worse it must be with your other symptoms as well. Please remember that you have many friends here on ish - not just the ones you know personally, there are many, many more of us, and you can certainly contact me if you want a confidential chat.
mrsflibble wrote: Agorophobia tends to come with the down points, I sometimes can't even get into my own garden without a panic attack. this problem got better after counselling and use of a bach flower remedy, but still hits me from time to time. Tea, this is why I cancel on you.
When I suffered the agoraphobia, I also used to cancel dates to see friends and family. Unfortunately, they didn't know I had this problem as I kept it all hidden, so they thought I was just being rude. There was one time I managed to drag myself out to the bus stop (which was quite a walk from where I lived then). After waiting for an age, the bus finally came - and went straight past. I just couldn't cope with that, and ran all the way home where I rang my friend and said I'm not coming. She wasn't happy - I think she had gone out of her way to make things nice for my arrival. So please make sure people know of your condition as soon as you can, partly so that they can give you the support you need, but also so that they are not offended by your cancellation and (if you're anything like me) really poor excuses.

On the subject of doctors and the health 'profession' in general - well, I could spend hours, days even without a break telling you what I think of them and why. But I will just mention a few things so that you know there are others out here that share your doubts about them.

Back in 1999, my partner had a pain in his chest and was coughing up blood. He went to see his GP urgently, who said it was a bad cold and gave him some very strong cough medicine. In hindsight, we should have taken no notice of this and gone straight to the hospital, but we trusted the opinions of so-called professionals back then. He stopped coughing all together, so no more blood coming up, but the pain became worse and worse until one evening he could hardly breath and was carted off to hospital. It turned out he had pneumonia and a blood clot on his lung. After that, plus other scarey things this doctor did (or failed to do) for other family members, he decided to transfer to a different GP. All was fine, with only rare, non-life-threatening visits to the doctor for several years. Then, just before Christmas 2007 he started to experience pains in his legs and feet, had a rash on his ankles, developed a cough and had sporadic chest pains. He visited the (new) doctor, who gave him antihistamine cream and antibiotics (no alcohol all Christmas!). Needless to say, they had no effect and he felt very unhappy with the so-called-treatment, and felt he had not been listened to at all. So before he finished the course he made an appointment to see a different doctor at the same practice. This doctor actually listened to him, especially when he mentioned his history and he was sent the same day for tests. It turns out he had blood clots in his legs this time, and the specialist believes he has thrombophilia, meaning he will be on Warfarin for the rest of his life.

This little story is to show you that you are not the only one who has doubts, and that without these doubts the effects of the GPs' actions (or inactions) could be catastrophic. I read some of your message to Richard, and his immediate reaction was that you should change your GP, always make sure they read your notes by saying the words 'history of..', and seek help from other sources such as the charity Mind (http://www.mind.org.uk/).

(Just on the subject of reading the notes, this is not always a good thing. When I was heavily pregnant with Katie, I went to see a doctor (locum) with excruciating back pain to ask if there was anything I could do about it. On this occasion, the doctor read my notes, and on seeing that I had been off work for many weeks due to stress, she offered me counseling. She just wouldn't listen when I said I had recovered from the stress, and she was not interested in my back pain at all, only in getting me into counseling.)

Richard also reminded me (though he didn't need to) of the numerous evenings we have spent 'putting the world to rights' on the subject of doctors. One of the topics we regularly rant about is that as soon as you walk through the door, the doctor will ask you if you smoke and how much you drink. If you are overweight, the answer is always 'lose weight', regardless of your problem. It's like they have standard questions and responses, and can't really be bothered to listen to what we have to say.

I would also like to suggest that whenever you have an appointment regarding your mental health issues, whoever that appointment might be with, make sure you tell at least one other person. This is something I didn't do, opting instead to keep everything to myself, bottled up. The problem was, when I was feeling really low, I couldn't bring myself to make an appointment. So I made appointments when I was feeling a little better. Then, usually, by the time the appointment day was here, I felt so low I couldn't drag myself there - especially during the few years I suffered the agoraphobia as well. If someone else knows you have an appointment, they will be able to keep an eye on you and make sure you go to it.

I'm sorry this reply is a bit all over the place, and I apologize also if I have repeated something someone else has said. I've hardly been able to get near the computer for a few days, but I wanted to reply as soon as I could to let you know I think you are very brave for opening up, that I would like to hug you till you are better, and that I think you are now on the road to a happier, more peaceful life. OK, so this doctor didn't listen and was totally out of order. But you are intelligent enough to realize that and act on it. Good luck. Peace and bright blessings.

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