Is your house going to be underwater in the future
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Is your house going to be underwater in the future
It took me a long time to find this but I did I wanted to see where might be underwater in Bristol in the future should the worst case scenario of global warming happen.
http://flood.firetree.net/
It is a google map so you can check out where you live too. If I ever get to buy a house rather than rent then I will definetly refer to this map before making any commitment.
Although I would have thought that huge defenses will be built in some areas, I asume this would mean that flooding would happen at a greater extent down the coast. I can't see London being allowed to flood as much as this map would predict.
http://flood.firetree.net/
It is a google map so you can check out where you live too. If I ever get to buy a house rather than rent then I will definetly refer to this map before making any commitment.
Although I would have thought that huge defenses will be built in some areas, I asume this would mean that flooding would happen at a greater extent down the coast. I can't see London being allowed to flood as much as this map would predict.
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Ours too. Aus holds up pretty well, by the look of things Nev. I wonder if the poms have ever considered they could actually be sinking, as opposed to the water level rising?...
If Muddys water theory is correct, in that water is not a diminishing resource, rather a transient one. Then they would have to be sinking, wouldn't ya think?
Must add, it took me ages.. clicking haphazardly around the globe trying to work out how to get from the UK to here in screen shots. For any other 'blondes' on board... you can just click on the country in the top right hand corner and you don't end up feeling seasick....
If Muddys water theory is correct, in that water is not a diminishing resource, rather a transient one. Then they would have to be sinking, wouldn't ya think?
Must add, it took me ages.. clicking haphazardly around the globe trying to work out how to get from the UK to here in screen shots. For any other 'blondes' on board... you can just click on the country in the top right hand corner and you don't end up feeling seasick....
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Gidday
Well I reckon it is a loada crap.
Take a look at http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/ten_facts_ ... arming.htm
and
http://www.climatescience.org.nz/
It's just all hype to keep people frieghtened as frieghtened people are easier to control and manipulate. Juast like the Y2K, and SAARs away with the sick birds.
Well I reckon it is a loada crap.
Take a look at http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/ten_facts_ ... arming.htm
and
http://www.climatescience.org.nz/
It's just all hype to keep people frieghtened as frieghtened people are easier to control and manipulate. Juast like the Y2K, and SAARs away with the sick birds.
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I share your cynicism about over-controlling governments, but fear that the links you offered are about as relevant as one to the flat earth society!
There is no doubt whatsoever that the earth is suffering - global warming is only one part of the problem - we have swiftly acidifying seas, the earth's "green lungs" - the forests, are being decimated to grow crops.
If you'd lived as long as I have, you'd have noticed the fact of global warming yourself! - if you have any doubt about it, look at the shrinking ice caps, and the crazy weather!

There is no doubt whatsoever that the earth is suffering - global warming is only one part of the problem - we have swiftly acidifying seas, the earth's "green lungs" - the forests, are being decimated to grow crops.

If you'd lived as long as I have, you'd have noticed the fact of global warming yourself! - if you have any doubt about it, look at the shrinking ice caps, and the crazy weather!

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here we go- a relevant link! http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublons ... ociety.htm 

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Lets see what we can do with that top 10 list, I can pick at a few of them.
1. Britain is one degree Celsius cooler now than it was at the time of the Domesday book.
Even if it is what about the rest of the planet? Does not matter so much about the UK, its the ice caps that are melting that we are worried about
2. Greenland got its name from the verdant pastures that attracted the Norse settlers under Eric the Red in 986. They carried on their normal way of life (based on cattle, grain, hay and herring) for 300 years until the Little Ice Age, when they were driven off by the encroaching ice and the Inuit took over. The ice and the Inuit are still there.
Perhaps not for long and greenland might have to be drawn differently in atlas's as it has changed shape due to the ice falling off it. And really what has 1000 years ago got to do with now, the fact is we are causing the cliamte change.
3.Carbon dioxide is a minor greenhouse gas. In the atmosphere there is over a hundred times the concentration of water vapour, which is the dominant greenhouse gas.
Hmm, again missing the point the methane emmisions that are trapped in the polar ice caps could be enough to really mess with the world. Also so what if it is a minor greenhouse gas it is the one doing the damage.
4. Without the Greenhouse Effect there would be no life on Earth.
And with it there still might be no life on Earth
5. Temperature measurements by satellite, radio sonde balloons and well maintained rural surface stations in the West show no significant warming.
Ok so no significant warming in one place, again what about the rest of the planet? The 5 hottest years globaly on record are all within in the last 10 years.
6. The only evidence of significant warming comes from mainly non-western stations that are probably ill maintained or those that are contaminated by the Urban Heat Island Effect.
Using probally in an argument is not the best way of getting a point across.
7. Computer models of the climate are worthless, as they are based on many assumptions about interactions between climate factors that are still unknown to science. They are generally unstable and chaotic, giving a wide variety of answers depending on the input assumptions.
Pure opinion - Of course we don't totally know what is oing to happen but we do know that the ice caps are melting due to our own fault and that can't be good.
8. The Kyoto agreement would have a devastating effect on the world economy but, since carbon dioxide is a minor greenhouse gas, an undetectable effect on the climate.
Simply not true, like all the arguments on that page not backed up. Er and to do the same myself, all I can remember is that late last year a report came out to say that going green could in fact be good for the economy.
9.The IPCC (the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) has been the main engine for promoting the global warming scare. It has become notorious for its corrupt practices of doctoring its reports and executive summaries, after they have been approved by the participating scientists, to conform to its political objectives
Ok, but they are not the only ones who are talking about global warming. They certainly are not the main engine behind it, what about oh lets say Greenpeace and freinds of the earth, they seem to talk about climate change to a global community as well I guess they might be looking for more cash so that they can spread their corupy message of living on a healthier planet.
10. The really big lie about man-made global warming is that almost all scientists accept it. More than 4,000 scientists from 106 countries, including 72 Nobel prize winners, signed the Heidelberg Appeal (1992), calling for a rational scientific approach to environmental problems. Many senior scientists have also supported The Statement by Atmospheric Scientists on Greenhouse Warming (1992), The Leipzig Declaration (1997) and finally the Oregon Petition (1998) which received the signatures of over 19,000 scientists
Not sure if I really get the point with this argument all it is really saying as far as I can see is that some sceintist want further proof. They are neither dississing the fact that global warming is man made or accepting it. They are sceintists afterall. Nice numbers too, but how many scientists is this as a percentage, of course that is not mentioned.
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1. Britain is one degree Celsius cooler now than it was at the time of the Domesday book.
Even if it is what about the rest of the planet? Does not matter so much about the UK, its the ice caps that are melting that we are worried about
2. Greenland got its name from the verdant pastures that attracted the Norse settlers under Eric the Red in 986. They carried on their normal way of life (based on cattle, grain, hay and herring) for 300 years until the Little Ice Age, when they were driven off by the encroaching ice and the Inuit took over. The ice and the Inuit are still there.
Perhaps not for long and greenland might have to be drawn differently in atlas's as it has changed shape due to the ice falling off it. And really what has 1000 years ago got to do with now, the fact is we are causing the cliamte change.
3.Carbon dioxide is a minor greenhouse gas. In the atmosphere there is over a hundred times the concentration of water vapour, which is the dominant greenhouse gas.
Hmm, again missing the point the methane emmisions that are trapped in the polar ice caps could be enough to really mess with the world. Also so what if it is a minor greenhouse gas it is the one doing the damage.
4. Without the Greenhouse Effect there would be no life on Earth.
And with it there still might be no life on Earth
5. Temperature measurements by satellite, radio sonde balloons and well maintained rural surface stations in the West show no significant warming.
Ok so no significant warming in one place, again what about the rest of the planet? The 5 hottest years globaly on record are all within in the last 10 years.
6. The only evidence of significant warming comes from mainly non-western stations that are probably ill maintained or those that are contaminated by the Urban Heat Island Effect.
Using probally in an argument is not the best way of getting a point across.
7. Computer models of the climate are worthless, as they are based on many assumptions about interactions between climate factors that are still unknown to science. They are generally unstable and chaotic, giving a wide variety of answers depending on the input assumptions.
Pure opinion - Of course we don't totally know what is oing to happen but we do know that the ice caps are melting due to our own fault and that can't be good.
8. The Kyoto agreement would have a devastating effect on the world economy but, since carbon dioxide is a minor greenhouse gas, an undetectable effect on the climate.
Simply not true, like all the arguments on that page not backed up. Er and to do the same myself, all I can remember is that late last year a report came out to say that going green could in fact be good for the economy.
9.The IPCC (the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) has been the main engine for promoting the global warming scare. It has become notorious for its corrupt practices of doctoring its reports and executive summaries, after they have been approved by the participating scientists, to conform to its political objectives
Ok, but they are not the only ones who are talking about global warming. They certainly are not the main engine behind it, what about oh lets say Greenpeace and freinds of the earth, they seem to talk about climate change to a global community as well I guess they might be looking for more cash so that they can spread their corupy message of living on a healthier planet.
10. The really big lie about man-made global warming is that almost all scientists accept it. More than 4,000 scientists from 106 countries, including 72 Nobel prize winners, signed the Heidelberg Appeal (1992), calling for a rational scientific approach to environmental problems. Many senior scientists have also supported The Statement by Atmospheric Scientists on Greenhouse Warming (1992), The Leipzig Declaration (1997) and finally the Oregon Petition (1998) which received the signatures of over 19,000 scientists
Not sure if I really get the point with this argument all it is really saying as far as I can see is that some sceintist want further proof. They are neither dississing the fact that global warming is man made or accepting it. They are sceintists afterall. Nice numbers too, but how many scientists is this as a percentage, of course that is not mentioned.
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mmm... I can't disagree with some of those points made, though number 6 does reflect poorly on all of them.
I was listening to a lady the other day, quite an excitable type, who was very angry with the use of such words as "Global Warming", because she felt they detracted considerably from individual action and moved issues out of our back yard and into an unreachable domain - which, she felt - encouraged apathy.
She said those kinds of words were used to incite moral panic by "uneducated activists" as opposed to "active educators", which is what she proposed makes a real difference. Sorry can't remember her name.
I question stuff. Tis just my cynical way, I guess. I object to the application of sunscreen on my kids, which always evokes arguments - BUT - I have watched skin cancer INCREASE in this country alongside 20 years of the slip-slop-slap campaign, and I simply do not agree with soaking my kids skin in chemicals.
We do not, and possibly will never know, the full effect of our actions. We can attempt to track them, label them and place blame...but ultimately I can only endeavour to tread lightly on this planet, share what I learn with kids, consider my actions and try to act in an eco-friendly way, so that others might consider doing it to. No point blueing over stuff we can never really confirm anyway.
I was listening to a lady the other day, quite an excitable type, who was very angry with the use of such words as "Global Warming", because she felt they detracted considerably from individual action and moved issues out of our back yard and into an unreachable domain - which, she felt - encouraged apathy.
She said those kinds of words were used to incite moral panic by "uneducated activists" as opposed to "active educators", which is what she proposed makes a real difference. Sorry can't remember her name.
I question stuff. Tis just my cynical way, I guess. I object to the application of sunscreen on my kids, which always evokes arguments - BUT - I have watched skin cancer INCREASE in this country alongside 20 years of the slip-slop-slap campaign, and I simply do not agree with soaking my kids skin in chemicals.
We do not, and possibly will never know, the full effect of our actions. We can attempt to track them, label them and place blame...but ultimately I can only endeavour to tread lightly on this planet, share what I learn with kids, consider my actions and try to act in an eco-friendly way, so that others might consider doing it to. No point blueing over stuff we can never really confirm anyway.
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I've long questioned sunscreens! 
I just can't get the "logic" of blocking up your pores with oil in the first place -
and if you want crispy skin on a chicken, you slather it in oil before cooking!
~Then we have the chemicals involved - loads of them are benzene compounds, which are well know carcinogens!
I would suggest that common sense is much more useful - start your suntan gently, and try never to burn - if needs be, using clothes rather than unguents
I think the problem a lot of Europeans have is that they live a troglodytic existence all the rest of the year, then rush off to somewhere really hot, and fry!

I just can't get the "logic" of blocking up your pores with oil in the first place -
and if you want crispy skin on a chicken, you slather it in oil before cooking!
~Then we have the chemicals involved - loads of them are benzene compounds, which are well know carcinogens!

I would suggest that common sense is much more useful - start your suntan gently, and try never to burn - if needs be, using clothes rather than unguents

I think the problem a lot of Europeans have is that they live a troglodytic existence all the rest of the year, then rush off to somewhere really hot, and fry!

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