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blackouts on the horizon ??

Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:44 pm
by brett53
with thanks to energy green .com


Ofgem sounds warning on energy supply security

Incentives for suppliers to invest in infrastructure are weak, says regulator
Tom Young, BusinessGreen, 03 Feb 2010
Energy security in doubt after 2015

The UK's energy supply faces a perfect storm of problems after 2015, and urgent action is needed to tackle the problems, according to a report published by Ofgem today.

The decline in indigenous gas reserves and the need to make demanding cuts in carbon emission levels while renewing infrastructure are serious threats to energy security, the regulator says.

"Our scenarios show supply to be relatively secure until around 2015," says the Ofgem report. "However, significant action will be called for to deliver both security of supply and environmental objectives at affordable prices longer term, given the nature and scale of challenges facing the market."

Large parts of the ageing energy infrastructure will need replacement by 2020 at an estimated cost of £200bn as a substantial proportion of the UK’s fleet of nuclear and coal power stations will be taken out of service over the next decade.

But incentives to do so are weak thanks to bad credit conditions, a low carbon price, interdependence with international markets and lack of consumer pressure for supply security and investment in peak energy supplies.

Ofgem does not consider current arrangements adequate and recommends the government examine various courses of action.

At the very least it recommends a minimum carbon price, improved price signals and measures to promote demand-side response, which should improve security of supply by increasing the incentives to make peak energy supplies available.

More drastically it asks the government to consider legal obligations on suppliers, a centralised renewables market and replacing the renewables obligation with renewables tenders.

Its most radical suggestion is making a single entity responsible for coordinating the procurement of new energy supplies.

The report points out that all have risks and benefits, and a combination of measures is likely to be the best solution.

"More mandated outcomes could reduce the cost of finance, reduce the risk of high prices resulting from under-investment, and remove some of the inefficiencies in current mechanisms such as the Renewables Obligation," says the report.

"However, such approaches may expose customers to risks of overinvestment, and deprive them of some of the benefits of innovation and cost reductions driven by more effective competitive markets."

Responding to the report, energy and climate change secretary Ed Miliband today agreed that a more interventionist policy would be needed.

"The scale and upfront nature of the low carbon investment needed is likely to require significant reform of our market arrangements to deliver security of supply in the most affordable way," he said.

"That is why my department began work last summer to plot out the pathways to a decarbonised, secure energy mix in 2050 and the options for reforming the market to deliver it. Ofgem’s report will contribute to the proposals we will make at the time of the Budget."

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of course the government will say all is well and there's noooooooo problem - but whadda you all think ? and more to the point what you going to do - sit on your hands and hope nothing happens - or take positive steps ?? - me i am going for the latter - so more solar panels in the offing - as i recon that this scenario makes a lot of sense

why - simple - we have massive immigration - increasing population ( partly because of previous ) - increased demand for power - and a LOT wasted - i was sitting looking along a row of shops today and the heat plumes issuing from them :roll: all because they seem to want to keep the doors open for some reason - increased use of power for the Internet and other stuff - the fact that we COULD be cut off if other countries get tetchy or decide THEIR needs take precedence - and the likely hood of worsening winters ( i think we in for a run of them personally )

now i KNOW we are always getting these doom and gloom scenarios - but one day one of them IS going to come to fruit - and i have memories of the 70s when we had power cuts - and there where NOT all the modern things we need to run today - so personally this is one warning i think we NEED to take seriously

as when / IF the proverbial hits the fan - stuff like solar panels - batteries - etc will skyrocket in price - as people cash in on the crisis - mean while the poor will suffer as usual - and it will be too late to do any hand ringing then - but as usual we will muddle through i suppose

anyways views appreciated :thumbright:

Re: blackouts on the horizon ??

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:10 pm
by Keaniebean
This is so much like other doom and gloom scenarios the human race faces. Take the obesity issue for example, so many warnings and initatives and headlines, but what do we do..... NOTHING. :silent: :silent: :silent:

The majority of humankind are so obsessed with going forwards and upwards(supposedly), or fighting wars, or they take the attitude I want to so I will, that in reality we are going to burn ourselvs out.

The earth will survive long after we have killed most things off, and it will repair itself like it has done before. If any of the human race are, lucky or intelligent enough to go through this burnout then maybe there will be life for us........................................ but not as we know it Jim.

Re: blackouts on the horizon ??

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 9:31 pm
by Flo
The governmentos of the past 30 or so years and the revenues from North Sea Oil to be able to invest in the infrastructure needed to secure our future power needs. Nothing has been done.

Funny but no-one has demanded that the government should do anything about it. When the lights go out, they will. But not before then. And the powers that be will continue to do nothing because it is not expected of them by the electorate. When the lights go out it will be too late.

That's about the usual way this country is run - too little too late.

Re: blackouts on the horizon ??

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 9:40 pm
by Minnesota
Keaniebean wrote: The earth will survive long after we have killed most things off, and it will repair itself like it has done before. If any of the human race are, lucky or intelligent enough to go through this burnout then maybe there will be life for us........................................ but not as we know it Jim.
Not as we know it today, for Revelation 21:1 says, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."

Re: blackouts on the horizon ??

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:09 pm
by chilitony
Is this quote about using up the fruits of the earth :(

Re: blackouts on the horizon ??

Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:40 am
by brett53
Minnesota wrote:
Keaniebean wrote: The earth will survive long after we have killed most things off, and it will repair itself like it has done before. If any of the human race are, lucky or intelligent enough to go through this burnout then maybe there will be life for us........................................ but not as we know it Jim.
Not as we know it today, for Revelation 21:1 says, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."
sorry but what has religion got to do with the looming possibilities of power shortages in the UK ??

no disrespect to any of you with religious beliefs - but your god ain't gonna fix this ( or any other ) problem - so can we PLEASE keep religion OUT of these discussions - it has NO relevance what so ever to the problem in hand ( unless of course our PM has a secret inside line to the big man - or the church is gonna coff for a couple of new power stations -BOTH as unlikely as me becoming the next pontiff )

thanks :thumbright:

Re: blackouts on the horizon ??

Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:49 am
by brett53
Flo wrote:The governmentos of the past 30 or so years and the revenues from North Sea Oil to be able to invest in the infrastructure needed to secure our future power needs. Nothing has been done.

Funny but no-one has demanded that the government should do anything about it. When the lights go out, they will. But not before then. And the powers that be will continue to do nothing because it is not expected of them by the electorate. When the lights go out it will be too late.

That's about the usual way this country is run - too little too late.

true so very true - then watch the wailing and moaning start - when they find they have not heating and no lighting and cant run their Internet etc - or get petrol as pumps used to have winding handles for emergencies - bet they don't now and do you think the staff in a self service would put them self out ?? - nope - just put up the closed sign ( not my job - not had training - health and safety etc scenario )

in fact i wonder how many people in the UK have ANY emergency preparedness stuff ???? - and boy watch the PRICE of such things rocket as the first blackout hits - you will see some panic buying then - where as many here will just smile contentedly - check their stocks of essentials - and chuckle at the shortsightedness of the many :wink:

Re: blackouts on the horizon ??

Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:58 am
by Ratsny
I know I'm coming late to this thread but am reading back over things about peak oil and the coming energy crisis...having recently "woken up" to how things are going.
I feel so fortunate to be living in a country where we don't have such a great population and could possibly feed ourselves. I am confident that I can set my family up to survive for a while at least...my concern is that with mortgages, when things get tight, people lose jobs, what if we can't keep the payments up? Will the bank kick us off? Can they kick everyone off and become the new Lords tenanting over all us serfs?
I'm actually still in the really scared phase :pale: so thank you to all those people with wonderful black humour and pragmatic viewpoints, you are helping me come to terms with a pretty hefty dose of grief. This too shall pass.

Re: blackouts on the horizon ??

Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:34 pm
by MKG
Hmmmm ... actually, I'm still trying to work out what ...

"improved price signals and measures to promote demand-side response, which should improve security of supply by increasing the incentives to make peak energy supplies available."

... means, :dontknow:

Mike

Re: blackouts on the horizon ??

Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:05 pm
by oldfella
MKG wrote:Hmmmm ... actually, I'm still trying to work out what ...

"improved price signals and measures to promote demand-side response, which should improve security of supply by increasing the incentives to make peak energy supplies available."

... means, :dontknow:

Mike


I think it means, the wheels fell off