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I see Gordon Brown is finally taking positive action over Zimbabwe - we're going to ban the cricket team from the UK. That's really stuffing it down Mugabe's throat, ain't it.

yeah!

yeh that'll learn em....

I never understood how Browns an evil baby killer for replacing the governments of Afghanistan and Iraq, but he's also an evil baby killer for not replacing the government of Zimbabwe.

Nowt to do with us what they do in them foreign parts

well obviously there wasn't a cricket match to threaten them with one rule for those with oil.....

red wrote:well obviously there wasn't a cricket match to threaten them with one rule for those with oil.....

yeah that.....what amazes me more is SAs reaction Mbecki reckons that confrontation could "make matters worse".....WTF does that despot have to do beyond rape, pillage, murder and torture to get someone to give him his just desserts?

Clara wrote:

red wrote:well obviously there wasn't a cricket match to threaten them with one rule for those with oil.....

yeah that.....what amazes me more is SAs reaction Mbecki reckons that confrontation could "make matters worse".....WTF does that despot have to do beyond rape, pillage, murder and torture to get someone to give him his just desserts?

Mugarbe has the physical power, and offers the nasty suggestion that the excolonial powers what to re colonise the country, no-one wants to prove him right. The leader of South Africa is doing nothing as he is dreaming of becoming a despot himself, so not a good idea to set a prescedent of invading or interfering, that will really screw his plans up.

Clara wrote: yeah that.....what amazes me more is SAs reaction Mbecki reckons that confrontation could "make matters worse".....WTF does that despot have to do beyond rape, pillage, murder and torture to get someone to give him his just desserts?

Well, just to put it in a slightly different perspective, Saddam raped, pillaged, murdered, and tortured, and flaunted this fact in front of the UN. Yet, millions of people protested against the idea of stopping him. Millions are still protesting that nobody should have done anything.

Ellendra wrote:

Clara wrote: yeah that.....what amazes me more is SAs reaction Mbecki reckons that confrontation could "make matters worse".....WTF does that despot have to do beyond rape, pillage, murder and torture to get someone to give him his just desserts?

Well, just to put it in a slightly different perspective, Saddam raped, pillaged, murdered, and tortured, and flaunted this fact in front of the UN. Yet, millions of people protested against the idea of stopping him. Millions are still protesting that nobody should have done anything.

I think these are very different situations. It was not a good idea to invade Iraq, I and most other people who opposed it didn´t like Saddam either, but realised that it would lead to a power vaccuum and a drawn out bloodbath. In Zimbabwe they need to be allowed to have their free and fair elections, which if truly free and fair will do the job of getting rid of Mugabe, and installing democratically elected representatives (who are waiting in the wings, no need to organise a puppet government either). I don´t think anyone should invade in the way that Iraq was invaded, but the people of Zimbabwe DO need the help and support of the the rest of the world, and if that means entering without Mugabes permission then so be it.

For all of Sadams faults, before we started bombing and blockading the country, when you pressed the light switch, the room lit up.
It may just be me, but I put evil despots, and incompetent evil despots in different categories.
More people will die because of Mugabes incompetence than did because of Sadams evil.

I have no intentions of volunteering for the Zimbabwe Liberation army or donating to its war fund, its much easier to demand someone (else) goes and dies and someone else (pays).
The last time we tried to "fix" that patch of land, we put this genocidal maniac in power

Then that answers the question of what else he has to do before somebody stops him.

DominicJ wrote:For all of Sadams faults, before we started bombing and blockading the country, when you pressed the light switch, the room lit up.
It may just be me, but I put evil despots, and incompetent evil despots in different categories.
More people will die because of Mugabes incompetence than did because of Sadams evil.

I have no intentions of volunteering for the Zimbabwe Liberation army or donating to its war fund, its much easier to demand someone (else) goes and dies and someone else (pays).
The last time we tried to "fix" that patch of land, we put this genocidal maniac in power

You know domonic, strange as it may seem, I agree with you.

OMG - it's getting really serious now - old Queenie is rescinding Mugabe's knighthood.

MKG wrote:OMG - it's getting really serious now - old Queenie is rescinding Mugabe's knighthood.

about time