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There seems to be another assumption underlying all this 'scary' stuff,ie every one who owns a gun is a potential maniac

.What's so strange about taking responsibility for themselves and their family?(relying on some State to do it for you,now that's strange)

That's not what I thought was scary though Jerry.
It's just the percentages, if you have people carry guns, then a percentile will be stupid, and a percentile evil, and heaven forbid, some may be female..... I think I have said it all there, scary.

boboff wrote:That's not what I thought was scary though Jerry.
It's just the percentages, if you have people carry guns, then a percentile will be stupid, and a percentile evil, and heaven forbid, some may be female..... I think I have said it all there, scary.

Considering that I am a much better shot than my husband I suppose it would be (teasing of course!!).

oldjerry wrote:What's so strange about taking responsibility for themselves and their family?(relying on some State to do it for you,now that's strange)

Oh dear, need we revise 1651? Thomas Hobbes has it that life in the absence of a responsible state is a perpetual 'war of all against all', and that the best it's individuals can hope for is an existence that is 'solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short'. So what is so strange about a state rescuing it's citizens from such a fate? No one is suggesting that we should not be responsible for ourselves and our families, just that the 'responsibility' of owning military grade weaponry should be removed from the general public. And that once that 'responsibility' has been relieved, life becomes, collectively, a little less onerous, a little less hobbesian.

oldjerry wrote:There seems to be another assumption underlying all this 'scary' stuff,ie every one who owns a gun is a potential maniac

And no-one is suggesting that all those owning a gun are potential maniacs. It only takes one, though, who is a maniac, or becomes a maniac, to wreak tragedy on the rest.

Cheers, 2RM.

Fortunately there's a fair bit more to political philosophy than Hobbes,even the most basic introductory course at the newest university might at least mention Locke (and some of us find him a bit Statist).

Anyhow,most good people here will be bored s------s with all this ,so best wishes and over and out. (they don't call me Dead Thread Fred for nothing!)

Well, thanks for staying with me thus far, my friendly sparring partner. Best wishes to you, too. 2RM.