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Put like that it is certainly something i would consider, as you say if people are going to fly anyway doing a little good for fellow humans would be a good thing.

Oh heck!! I emigrated to Australia when I was 27 leaving behind all family members (wasn't thinking of environmental issues back then)

Now I have guilt regarding long haul flight and all the implications + guilt regarding seeing family members!!!! How many trips to work on bicyclye would it take to make up for environmental damage of flight??? Think I may be able to visit UK in 2150...maybe!!! I thought I was doing ok using green bags at the supermarket...now I'm faced with this, I am feeling terrible!!!!

http://www.seat61.com/

This is a useful site for train travel to almost anywhere. Someone mentioned about taking a baby to Spain...

http://www.seat61.com/Europe.htm#Children

These are his tips for train travel with children! Hope this helps a little.

For what it's worth, I have decided never to fly in Europe unless it's an emergency. But I can't give up flying completely, since my parents live in Canada. My sort of holiday is one where I go walking in mountains or countryside - I'm not a beach/hot country sort-of person.

Did not see this thread until now.

Dave is on holiday in Morroco at the moment for 2 weeks. He has travelled by train stopping off at Paris and Barcelona on the way.

I should be off to the New forest next weekend for a long weekend. It is not far from Bristol and I will have to stay in B & Bs along the bus route to see as much of it as I can. A pretty green holiday.

I love flying but have not flown since I think early 2005 on a short haul flight. I have vowed that I will never fly again which will be tested this year as I have been invited to Germany and Spain. I am looking into the cost of rail travel and it is not cheap, I think about £200-£300 for germany. I am thinking of getting as much as I can out of the trip and making stop overs in places that I have not been to before. Emma (my girlfriend) is flying over and I am meeting her there both in Germany and Spain.

Nev (wombat) is frequenlty inviting me over to Australia and I really want to go, I think it will take the best part of a month getting there though not to mention the financial cost. This is the most unfortunate sacrifice for giving up air travel.

My grandparents arrived by boat in the 1950's and I am pretty sure it took about 8 months to get here... They loved the trip though, and often spoke of it as I was growing up... the different ports, the friends they made while at sea, celebrations on board...

I love to travel and we don't do near as many trips as we used to do when living in the city. The girls and I would just throw the contents of the fridge into an esky and travel about through National Parks on weekends or school hols. Now we live in the bush, there seems little point packing up and roughing it for a bit of space when we have all the space we need here.

I love a day out on my motorbike, but the reality is that a trip anywhere (for groceries or whatever) pretty much means we are out for the day anyway, so most trips now are kind of practical, I guess, and the steed waits patiently in the shed for a bit of a casual coast in the country...

Ah, those were the days....

some good news, they are building a jetty at kilindoni harbour, this means that ferries can now stop here, so get to Dar es Salaam overland and you can get here by sea, first self sufficientish regular to get here by that route gets full board free accomodation for 4 nights.

DD and I are going on holiday on monday till friday. We're carpooling there and back. We were going to bus but I think carpooling will be more child friendly because we can stop at playgrounds along the way so she can have a run around and release some energy lol. Our accomodation is at a backpackers lodge. All the things we are going to do are withing walking distance of our accomodation.

I would love to travel the world extensively but I think I still to travelling NZ extensively at least until dd is school age then I'd like to take her to India to meet our sponsored girls.

I look for a holliday which allows me and james to thoroughly relax in the company of our darling little girl, one with some interest like sightseeing and shopping, preferably somewhere nice to take a walk and take photographs (he likes fields, i like beaches, we both love woods) and somewhere not too far off 'cos soph's not good on really long journeys. I like camping, james isn't so keen.

the furthest I have ever been was the south of france on my honeymoon. I travelled around quite a lot of the german and dutch border towns around the north east of belgium when I was 18. Sophie's middle name is Louvain, parlty 'cos it's my great gran's middle name and partly 'cos it's a beautiful town (leuven). I hope to take her there someday. we would go by train I reckon. then we'd all get to se the gorgeous countryside along the way.

What's a holiday?

Stonehead wrote:What's a holiday?

It's the time when the phone doesn't ring and you get to sit and watch your children play

Stonehead wrote:What's a holiday?

I think it's where you stay away from home overnight... for fun . I have heard that you can do this a few nights in a row and do 'relaxing' and/or 'interesting' things during the day.

I have heard of people saving their money to go on a holiday two or three times a year

I'd like to try it one day.

I thought that we had done it. 2 years ago we spent 6 days walking 100 miles... aparently this is NOT considered a holiday by the majority of the population.

save... money? you mean people have spare cash that they SAVE?!

actually I'm quite proud of us from the last 3 months, we're not incredibly overdrawn, we still have some of our old flat deposit sitting somewhere safe and james has been working his hairy bum off doing overtime so we can afford a better and more economical car.

our £300 rover 827 (second one we've owned) is on its last legs and it eats petrol so we're on the lookout for a really cheap diesel.