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marshlander wrote:Don't understand the link ellendra - Some chap selling his money book???

If you wait through the ad at the beginning, the rest of the video is people handing out free rice.

Yeah, but with all them Moonies and Jehova Witness and suchlike out there they probably thought that there was some catch in it. I'd be pretty suspicious if some one tried to give me a four-pack of beer buckshee, let alone a kilo of complex carbohydrates.

There are a lot of Scottish/Irish in USA, I cannot see any of my US kin turning down a bargain.

John.

While this is quite clearly not a survivalist forum in the traditional sense and should not become one per say, not all survivalist ideas are complete hokum.
Rawles, the guy quoted in the article is rational as far as they go - very moderate, sublethal force preferance and not a toatal religious fanatic.

He is realistic and post many links some more and some less credible to support what he says.

I am inclined to believe there is certainly some overlap in the ideas os survivalists, power-downers, anyone who has anything todo transistion towns or movements, and indeed self reliance or self sufficiency. The primary difference being that survivalists are more likely to be gun happy religious nuts who can grow their own and make their own to a large extent where as the average Isher is neither.

Just something to think about.


Lively debate here we come . . .

Nice to hear from an apologist for survivalist. Dealing in truth is essential when communicating and not in distorted realities. From truthful discussions we can find answers to difficult problems.

John.

Costco has indeed rationed the rice but to be fair we're talking about those massive restaurant size bags. I don't think its ridiculous to ration the number purchased at any time. In fact its been all over the news here and in the papers today (UK) and explained that it was only started when a run on (typical fear/knee jerk reaction) caused alot of customers to go and start hoarding as opposed to the usual purchase or a large bag or two.

I think its the right thing to do. The last thing to do is cause major panic, see store shelves empty and just drive up prices further for demand.

Just my 0.02 cents.

johnhcrf wrote:Nice to hear from an apologist for survivalist. Dealing in truth is essential when communicating and not in distorted realities. From truthful discussions we can find answers to difficult problems.

John.

Why do you insist on naming people as apologists, when they were simply pointing out similarities and differences of opinion?

Why does your ego allow you to be sole arbiter of who is or isn't welcome to post?

Why do you dispute that others have posted the truth, or at least posted an opinion in good faith?

Some truths have certainly been revealed in this thread.

The word apologist describes a person who presents the ideas, in this case survivalist ideas. He is not apologising for anything.
As to the other points, I deal in truth. When others distort the truth I find it an affront to good communication. My initial inexperienced reaction was unhelpful since dialogue stopped after that. I regret that.

johnhcrf wrote:The word apologist describes a person who presents the ideas, in this case survivalist ideas. He is not apologising for anything.
As to the other points, I deal in truth. When others distort the truth I find it an affront to good communication. My initial inexperienced reaction was unhelpful since dialogue stopped after that. I regret that.

An apologist is more precisely one who defends a position by arguement, and, often, by implication, when the neither the arguement nor the position being defended are particularly rational. It does not refer merely the presentation of ideas and it is not normally considered a neutral term.

Frozenthunderbolt makes a very reasonable case for not disregarding everything someone says just because a lot of what they say might sound somewhat....controversial.

That said, the only survivalist I know is completely hatstand. Nice enough bloke when you talk to him, but mad as a sack full of tomcats.

Not all survivalists advertise it. In fact, the majority don't. You may know several survivalists, they just haven't told you.

We should encourage them to contact us. The Delaration of Arbroath (1384, I think) is used by survivalist types as their credo. This document, in my opinion, refers to the just aspiration of Scots to want independence, no link to present day politics whatever. When others claim this for their own they are not paying homage to those courageous ancestors.

johnhcrf wrote:We should encourage them to contact us. The Delaration of Arbroath (1384, I think) is used by survivalist types as their credo. This document, in my opinion, refers to the just aspiration of Scots to want independence, no link to present day politics whatever. When others claim this for their own they are not paying homage to those courageous ancestors.

The year is 1320 (from google)