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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 1:29 pm
by Annpan
Well you can get buried on top of some one else... there are rules for how long but you can get buried on the same spot, this is what everyone in my family has done, we own some plots and sometimes folks have to share.
I think that JohnM's grandparents are in the same plot (2 years between their deaths) and my granny and her first husband are in the same place, I think her second husband might be in the plot next door... that is odd.
Anyway, my point being that people can continue to be buried in the forests on the same spot that some one had been buried a few years previously.
I have (well I haven't seen her for years) I had a friend who is a funeral director and she is not a fan of cardboard coffins (I won't share, I think you can imagine) the cheapest wooden one is £1000 and sometimes the council have to fork out for it, as sometimes there is no family.

Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 1:54 pm
by MKG
Ooooh - skilful people you all are. Personally I would like Time Team 2374 to dig me up and wonder why my forearm and finger were extended in that strange vertical manner.
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 1:57 pm
by red
MKG wrote:Ooooh - skilful people you all are. Personally I would like Time Team 2374 to dig me up and wonder why my forearm and finger were extended in that strange vertical manner.

Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 2:53 pm
by Milims
chadspad wrote:Cant you be buried in your own garden? I would much rather that. I have a special place in my garden, I'd like to go there and then have a tree planted on me.
The answer is yes you can - provided that you are at least 15m away from a watercourse. They advise that you put it on the deeds of the house - to spare nasty shocks later - when they are digging the foundations for the pattio

Although I don't think it's a legal requirement. However - if you
and your partner decide that you both want to be burried in the gardent - you have to apply for planning permission - because it comes under change of use - as its now a cemetery! I had to find all this out when I worked for Environmental Health!

Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:18 am
by Millymollymandy
Milims wrote:chadspad wrote:Cant you be buried in your own garden? I would much rather that. I have a special place in my garden, I'd like to go there and then have a tree planted on me.
The answer is yes you can - provided that you are at least 15m away from a watercourse. They advise that you put it on the deeds of the house - to spare nasty shocks later - when they are digging the foundations for the pattio

Although I don't think it's a legal requirement. However - if you
and your partner decide that you both want to be burried in the gardent - you have to apply for planning permission - because it comes under change of use - as its now a cemetery! I had to find all this out when I worked for Environmental Health!

Bizarre! Very interesting fact for a dinner party.

Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 10:55 am
by johnhcrf
Who's got a garden? Many stay in towerblocks with paved forecourts, even up to date flats have little greenery. Cremation uses energy. A natural process would be preferable but as you say we cannot all be put under trees. New ideas and new thinking is required but any alternative should be thoroughly tested and developed, before presentation to the public at large. Having an inquisitive mind, I intend to pursue further knowledge but will present details only when certainty has been established.
Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 10:59 am
by MKG
Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 11:07 am
by johnhcrf
MKG, certainty of procedure is required where you want to introduce new practices which people find difficult to accept. Questions will be raised and these would have to be answered fully to allay suspicions, fears and even ridicule.
Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:29 pm
by oldfella
Cardboard box, In the Fire, ashes around the old oak tree in the front Garden, my mates in the band, and friends have a good party. End of story. Its all arranged
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 7:54 pm
by ukwife
A few years ago my sister in law was cremated. We "planted" her in the woods, where she lived in a lovely little wooden cottage. After a toast and a send off we planted a gorgeous flowering tree on top. Might not be 100% eco friendly start but the end wasn't so bad and was quite lovely, but she is out in the woods and that was where she wanted.
For myself Id likely go the same route. Cremation, scattering and a tree. Sorta reminds me of planting the placenta under a tree, fitting start, fitting end.
:)
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 8:07 pm
by johnhcrf
Is cremation environmentally sound. Incineration is panned by the green movement and I feel cremation, though it does provide closure, is a form of incineration. A natural process, yet to be fully developed, would be a greener solution.
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 9:07 pm
by red
I still believe we would rapidly run out of land if we went burial only.
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 9:56 pm
by MKG
That's a problem that was recognised a thousand years ago, and the answer then was charnelling (as in charnel-house). Though eminently practical, that approach appears to be no longer socially acceptable.
Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:57 am
by johnhcrf
I accept both points. What the future holds who can say. Natural processes are preferable in minimising environmental impact. An openness to new ideas can help new processes develop fully.
Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 4:55 pm
by Big Al
ukwife wrote:A few years ago my sister in law was cremated. We "planted" her in the woods, where she lived in a lovely little wooden cottage. After a toast and a send off we planted a gorgeous flowering tree on top. Might not be 100% eco friendly start but the end wasn't so bad and was quite lovely, but she is out in the woods and that was where she wanted.
For myself Id likely go the same route. Cremation, scattering and a tree. Sorta reminds me of planting the placenta under a tree, fitting start, fitting end.
:)
If you did that for my mother in law it would end up a poison ivy.....