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Stonehead wrote:For health week, a note has been sent home saying the children should take in a healthy snack during the week (what about the rest of the time?) and that they will be learning how to make healthy pizza.
Knowing me, my reaction would be to send a note to school for the teacher to ask if unhealthy snacks will be banned for the rest of the year, too, seeing that eating healthy for one week isn't really good enough - and if she'll be taking all those chocolate spread sarnies etc away from the kids in future? (I also know that I would achieve exactly nothing with this action. :cry: But I would feel better by doing it!)

Just remembered: Isn't attendance of a "diversity awareness course" mandatory nowadays for anybody who works with Joe public? I'll have to go on one later this year (to be more aware of the diversity of sheep??? :roll: ). Teachers should be aware that the children they look after are diverse, even if they all live in the same rural community... They don't all want to be Church of Scotland, and not everybody with an Irish name is Irish (and not everybody wishes to buy all their veg at T***o's, even if they sell those nice fance child-size healthy snacks!). From what you said I think that most of the teachers must be quite old - nothing against older teachers, but I think a mix of ages is better.
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Ermintrude wrote: Also, I would love to home-educate my eldest, but she enjoys school and I think to myself would I be home educating for her benefit or my own? I love holidays when they are both with me and we can do our own thing and I love teaching - but most of all I love teaching my own kids. Would home education be a selfish act on my part?
What does your daughter think?
One reason many people dont home ed is they dont think they are 'qualified',another is that one parent usually has to give up work to be the childrens full time teacher at home. So ..if you think you 'qualify' :dave: , can work around the not as much money issue :shock: and your DD would like to give it a go, why not try it? :cheers:

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At the beginning of every term she says "I want to be home educated Mummy..." So I think she would be all for it! I've spoken to Education Otherwise and they seem like a very supportive organisation but I worry about this kind of decision probably because at heart I'm quite conventional. Also, most other home educators I've spoken to had a very definite reason for home educating and I don't seem to have any!

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Post: # 19633Post Stonehead »

While some of the teachers are old in age, others are old in attitude.

We've thought long and hard about home educating - in fact, we already do a lot of it anyway. However, F enjoys the social aspect of school as he wouldn't otherwise have as much interaction with other children of his age.

There are a number of local groups and activities he could do, but they either cost more money than we could afford, are run by the local snobs, or are more religious than we're comfortable with.

He knows he has our support in saying "no" to certain things at school, and then when the teacher starts telling him off to say "call my parents". It drives them batty! F also knows that aside from these particular areas, he has to try to be good, try to do as he's told, and do his best to learn new things.

One example is that the school likes to send him home with homework in the form of photocopied sheets, which are then marked out of six or 10. Now, if he was older and had a project to do with research he could do at home, fair enough. Same with studying for exams. But we feel that he spends enough time at school doing this sort of thing and he should be doing other things when he's at home (whether playing, do his chores, or just hanging out).

So, we tell him that no, he doesn't have to do the homework. We then get summoned to the school but what they aren't ready for is:

1. Homework has been extensively researched and while most of the research is inconclusive, it has generally not been found to be appropriate for younger children and particularly when in the form the school uses. So, we quote research papers to the teachers.

2. Aberdeenshire Council wants schools to move from largely "summative assessment" to largely "formative assessment". A good and short explanation, from a US source, is here. So, we quote council policy to the teachers and ask why the school has a policy of constant summative assessment, particularly for younger children?

End result - very agitated teachers who keep sending homework home but to no effect.

Similar with his report - it says things like "he can count to 10". Upon being questioned, the teachers say this is what is expected of the class and once a child can count to 10 they move on to something else. So, the report is not a reflection of F's skills and abilities, but a checkbox for noting that a particular child has jumped through the right hoop at the right time.

The teachers were unaware that he can count to 100, do addition and subtraction of numbers up to 20, and has a good grasp (in a small child's terms) of things like budgeting (he gets food off the shelves while I keep a running tally of the cost in my head), geometry (we make things together), measuring area (from fencing the fields) and so on.

(As an aside, one of the consequences of explaining chicken breeding is that he has a good knowledge of genetics - which I didn't realise until he started relating what he knew to a TV documentary about human genetics!)

But, back to the report, we found the counting to 10 scenario repeated all through the report - the teacher was simply checking boxes and not describing the actual child.

Anyway I must be off to make dinner, but if F decides at some point that he wants to be taught at home then the option is there.

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Post: # 19708Post albert onglebod »

We had the exact same thing with DD.
Can count to 10,knows primary colours,can write name .
Boucing ben says buh,clever cat says cuh (phoenetics gone mad).
The dreaded Mrs F. who was more like a female sargeant
major and managed to work P.E. into almost every lesson.Screamed at for using a Crayon without being told .The whole class(aged 7) kept in for not getting 10/10 in maths tests .
DD still has a mental block about Maths.She cant accept that she is quick with numbers(although she is). She and DS went to St Johns badgers ,brownies/Guides/ scouts/sea cadets,swimming club and drama .Most of the subscriptions were a pound a week or less and they only did 2 of these activities each a week.They also went to camps with Education Otherwise which were very cheap and very well attended.
DD goes to 6th form college this September and DS is there already(and loves it).
I know that DS at least would have been a drop out if he had carried on at school as some of his equally promising friends have proved to be and I believe DD would have been unable to discipline herself and probably up the park every night drinking with the teens that congregate there.
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Post: # 19971Post Stonehead »

Well, F has just come home from school and is upset because he's been told his lunch was not healthy enough for Health Week. So, if a salami and cheese sandwich (made with home-made wholemeal bread), an apple and a flask of part-frozen water (he likes slushy ice to drink) are not healthy, what is?

I asked F what he was told a healthy lunch was and he wasn't really sure, except that a healthy sandwich is supposed to have green leaves. If only it was that simple!

I know not all schools are like this, but I am left wondering if some teachers exist in an alternate reality.

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Post: # 19973Post Stonehead »

I found a copy of the school menu online.

It doesn't look too bad on the surface. However, this menu is Aberdeenshire wide and the food is produced on an industrial scale to a tight budget, and I think we all know what that means. Also, look at how much of the fruit and veg are out of season, and how many of the meat items are almost certainly reformed, processed and/or shaped.

No thanks - F can stick to his packed lunches with sandwiches and fruit three or four days, and cold meats, boiled eggs, pickles and fresh fruit/veg the rest of the time.

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PS Yes, F's apple is also out of season but that's one of the few non-seasonal things we buy in because we like the children to have at least one piece of fruit a day as well as fresh veg from the garden and our own fruit in season.
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How is a Healthy Food Week when the kids can select a less (sometimes very) unhealthy option from the menu?
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my dh is training to be a teacher, and he comes home most days saying "I don't want Arthur to go to school" (from a soon to be teacher!!!)

He gives me reasons similar to what is posted here, that it depends on the teacher, that boxes have to be ticked, that he doesn't want another adult to yell at his son etc etc.

i would happily home ed the boy, with the right support, but again it is the social aspect. Ds goes to nursery 3 mornings a week, as I used to work every morning, and it was a bit much for rellys to come over each day, but after crying his eyes out for a month, during which time I felt AWFUL, he now enjoys it, because he is a sociable little body.

We've got a few years to think it over (he is 2 on Friday), but it is interesting that dh is so nervous about ds going to school.

Your little guy seems like he has his head screwed on, Stonehead, I hope the other kids don't grind him down too much. You never know, they might all suddenly realise his lifestyle is the one we're all supposed to be having these days, and he'll become Mr Cool overnight.

We watch Lazy Town too. I'm sure dh has a crush on Stephanie!

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I have to say that stonehead's little lad told me all about his oil can - a fascinating story with lots of good solid facts. I was very impressed indeed - he had light in his eyes when he was telling me too. He's a very bright and intelligent young man.
We watch Lazy Town too. I'm sure dh has a crush on Stephanie!
I tease my 12 year old about that !!
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Shirlz2005 wrote:I have to say that stonehead's little lad told me all about his oil can - a fascinating story with lots of good solid facts. I was very impressed indeed - he had light in his eyes when he was telling me too. He's a very bright and intelligent young man.
Who was sent to bed early tonight after he'd got the camcorder out, fitted the battery and tape, and shot a video of himself and his brother. (Not bad for six!) The reason for being sent to bed wasn't the videoing, but the outrageous lying and blaming his little brother that followed.

He's still trying to grasp the fact that if he gets caught doing something he shouldn't, then it's better to own up straight away and accept the telling off.

What was really funny (although we had to keep a straight face at the time) was the way he couldn't work out how we knew it was him in the face of his denials. His face fell when we pointed out he must have been holding the camera as most of the footage was of his brother.

Then his face lit up: "He was holding the camera out with his arms, that's how he got a picture of himself."

I turned the camera around so he could see the video and said "Just like you're doing in this bit then?"

He still couldn't admit that it was him though and the porkies kept getting bigger, so it was off to bed for a think before getting his good night hug and going to sleep.

His brother might be younger, but he's twigged a lot quicker: "Yes, it was me and him. It was wrong, sorry. I love you lots." :mrgreen:

He still got the talking to and the timeout, but managed to get in a last bit of playtime by confessing.

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Post: # 21313Post Martin »

thankfully, my daughter's education is now well over - I have a feeling that if I had school age kids that I'd be in constant battles with "the powers that be".
I object rather violently to the "social engineering" or "brainwashing" that goes on...... :pale:
Something that made my blood boil was hearing that children were being taught that the sun was "dangerous", and that the only way they would be safe was to live a troglodytic existence, or to only venture into the evil outdoors swathed from head to foot, or liberally slathered with carcinogenic sun creams...................... :pale:
As someone who "grew up in the sun", has always been careful not to burn, and gains so many benefits from exposure to it, I was gobsmacked - here were the thought police basically telling dangerous lies, based on hogwash dished out by the chemical conglomerates who peddle highly dangerous "sunscreens"........ 8)
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Post: # 21333Post Shirley »

Ahhh stonehead!!

I've been there... my two older children would do exactly the same, although later I found out that my daughter had persuaded her brother to own up to everything even if he hadn't done it.... he had several early bedtimes that he didn't deserve while my unscrupulous daughter got off with it :cry:

Somedays though they would both say that they were each innocent... although they obviously weren't.... one of them was lying!! Usually about the most trivial of stuff too.

Ahh the joys.

Martin... the suncream... I think they should be educating about sun damage for sure... but they should certainly be promoting natural sunscreens. I haven't heard anything about that myself... my children weren't taught that... thankfully. They've often been taught stuff as if it were gospel though... and not encouraged to question the teachings.

Home ed... home ed... I think I'm going to home ed! Just the finances to worry about :?
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I'm not so sure about sunscreen at all.......... except for people who's colouring precludes normal tanning, I really have never understood the point of the blessed stuff! If you want to get crackly skin on a chicken, you baste it with oil, then submit it to radiant heat! :?
We have pores, which need to remain unblocked, and to allow the passage of sweat to cool us - seems barking bonkers to block them up with a cocktail of oils and chemicals! What all these "pro sunscreen" people conveniently overlook is that you are far more likely to get cancer from NO exposure to the sun (exposure to the sun cuts the rate of many cancers - especially bowel and prostate)......... :?
My father spent years in the tropics, and was fairly strict at the beginning of each season - you slowly acclimatise yourself over a period of days at the beginning, then eventually, you can spend all day out in the sun without any deleterious effects.(Have done so for years) 8)
Like many things in this developed world, because "suncream" has been around for years, we take the need for it as "read" - I suggest we look at the basic lunacy of bunging oil on skin in the sun in the first place! :geek:
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Martin wrote:I'm not so sure about sunscreen at all.......... except for people who's colouring precludes normal tanning, I really have never understood the point of the blessed stuff!
I broadly agree, but the holes in the ozone layer are letting a lot more UV through so the gradual acclimatising can actually be just as dangerous in certain parts of the world (ask any Australian about the dangers of too much exposure to the sun). There Antarctic hole is vast and still growing, while the Arctic hole is also continuing to grow.

The ozone layer has been largely overshadowed by global warming, but the instability in the atmosphere is having marked effects and will continue to do so.

Anyway, the other problem is that people think sunscreen is some form of absolute protection - it's not. Even if the manufacturers' claims were entirely true (and that is open to serious doubt), you're still asking for trouble if you spend too much time exposed to the sun and particularly if you're in an area with an ozone hole.

Also, a good coating of sunscreen can prevent your body utilising UV rays to produce Vitamin D (which fights other cancer). A good story on this is
here.

So, it's like most things. Limit your exposure to the sun but still get some every day, wear hats and long sleeves if you're outside for a long time and beware the claims of snake oil salesmen.

Now, if only we would get some sunshine!

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