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Forest gardening question

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:59 pm
by Odsox
A question for those in the know.
The back bed in my big greenhouse has been empty now for several years because of the reduced light. That bed has the apricot tree and a grape vine growing in and above it, and now that they are both fully grown they effectively block out a lot of the natural light from May to November.
The bed is 4 feet wide and the end away from the tree is about 8 feet long, and is completely empty.

So the question is, is there a food plant that would grow under those conditions?

Re: Forest gardening question

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:14 pm
by Flo
Ground elder - bought over by the Romans as a diuretic.

Re: Forest gardening question

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:38 pm
by Odsox
Flo wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:14 pm
Ground elder
Hmm, I was thinking of something I could get rid of if I changed my mind. :iconbiggrin:

Re: Forest gardening question

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:43 pm
by Flo
You didn't say that Sir. :dontknow:

So I presume that dandelions and docks are out too then - both of those can be eaten when young as can nettles. :dontknow:

Re: Forest gardening question

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:20 pm
by Green Aura
What about brassica's that take up a lot of space and time elsewhere - broccoli and kale both do fine in shade and the heat in the greenhouse will give you the sweetest leaves. They're shallow rooted so won't affect the trees.

You'd need some sort of rotation of course.

Or maybe perennial broccoli - that would last you about 5 years.

Re: Forest gardening question

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:20 pm
by Green Aura
....and there'd still be room for some lettuces underneath.

Re: Forest gardening question

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:51 pm
by Weedo
If its heated, try some sweet potato, yams or Taro? Sweet potato will scramble rather than climb if it need to.

Re: Forest gardening question

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:08 am
by Odsox
Weedo wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:51 pm
If its heated
No it's not heated Weedo, in fact the vents are wide open all winter, to start with to give the apricot the necessary chill hours and then to stop it flowering before the bees are about.

I like your idea of brassicas GA, unfortunately I've just planted out several Romanesco in the tunnel as one of those would have been handy to test your theory. I've also been looking at Nine Star Perennial, but it's probably too late for this year, unless I can get some seed fairly immediately.
The other requirement I forgot to mention is the need to be able to pick the apricots, so small plants might get stepped upon.

Re: Forest gardening question

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:51 pm
by Flo
Drip feeding us information here Mr Odsox. The ground elder would survive all your pre-conditions :mrgreen: :lol: :lol:

You don't ask easy questions do you?

Re: Forest gardening question

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:32 pm
by Green Aura
Odsox wrote:
Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:08 am
small plants might get stepped upon.
We put old floor tiles in between for stepping stones - doesn't matter if they're broken, just need to be big enough for a toehold.

Re: Forest gardening question

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 9:08 am
by Odsox
Flo wrote:
Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:51 pm
Drip feeding us information here Mr Odsox
Need to know basis Ms Flo
Flo wrote:
Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:51 pm
The ground elder would survive all your pre-conditions
Nope, I stipulated it must be removable
Anyway I don't have any growing on my property and who would buy ground elder :shock:
Flo wrote:
Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:51 pm
You don't ask easy questions do you?
If they were easy I'd already know the answer, plus I thought you needed a challenge :scratch: :lol:

Re: Forest gardening question

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 9:10 am
by Flo
Only winding up up Tony - only winding you up. :mrgreen: :lol: :lol:

I'm on a boring job of tracking down email addresses to one I'm going to destroy so need some entertainment other than that. I'll go away and be good and stop picking on you.

Re: Forest gardening question

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 9:55 am
by Odsox
I think after being on this forum for umpteen years Flo, I'm well used to being wound up.
Boring here too, rain is forecast to last pretty much all day, but not as boring as Thursday when we are due a planned all day power outage. :(

Just ordered a packet of Nine Star Perennial broccoli, along with a couple of new to me varieties of drying beans

Re: Forest gardening question

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:27 pm
by Odsox
Why didn't somebody tell me how wonderful 9 star perennial broccoli is??
Just harvested the first from the greenhouse today, and it's basically Tender Stem Cauliflower.
Really really tasty and only needs a couple of minutes cooking.

Although, NOT a good idea for the greenhouse bed, makes far too big a plant, gets in the way when I'm picking apricots, plus it flops when it gets warm in there.
But I have sown some more and will grow probably 5 in a sheltered outdoor spot for next year, and the year after, and the year after, and (so on) :iconbiggrin:

Re: Forest gardening question

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:35 pm
by ina
It sounds just like my kind of veg... Except that my garden is a bit small for it. Must try and get some seed for my friend with the big garden.