<b>Look at this!</b>
I like russians for their moral independence over Western world, but this is too much.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6927395.stm
Coudn't they just leave that OIL and other resources burried under the sea? No - they see that Arctic cap is melting faster and will soon vanish at all, so it will be easier to get to the resources.
I like this quote:
It's a very important move for Russia to demonstrate its potential in the Arctic... It's like putting a flag on the Moon
Because Americans landed on the Moon but it is still practically untouched. (We are not digging resources from it.) I hope it goes the same with Arctic territory.
Will they ever stop digging OIL?
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Risky and heroic mission? Well, I agree with the first part... Risky and stupid, I'd call it.
But no, of course they won't leave any resources untapped. They'll do whatever is possible, nevermind the consequences.
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But no, of course they won't leave any resources untapped. They'll do whatever is possible, nevermind the consequences.
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Well, there are murmurs that there isn't sufficient oil production to meet demand, plus US reserves are well down (6.5 million barrels instead of the 700,000 or so predicyed), Nigerian output is disrupted, North Sea output is disrupted, and the Middle East continues to be "wobbly".wulf wrote:One day people will have to stop, because it has all run out ...
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Hardly surprising that the Russians are trying to claim anything under the Arctic ice-cap. Or that Exxon is preparing to re-start it's operation to extract shale oil from under Colorado (hugely expensive, extremely polluting, vast drain on water and power, but with oil prices going higher it's may well be profitable this time around).
But I was surprised the new record price for oil barely rated a mention (it's since fallen back slightly) this week. I suppose everyone's used to oil hitting new highs all the time...
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I've been reading about all this peak oil stuff and it's actually quite worrying.
Some scientists think we've actually reached peak production, i.e. sustainable and profitable production. Most of the others think we're going to get there in the next ten years or so.
Maybe we should all get ourselves established on a self sufficiant village now so we're ready.
Any other views on this?
Some scientists think we've actually reached peak production, i.e. sustainable and profitable production. Most of the others think we're going to get there in the next ten years or so.
Maybe we should all get ourselves established on a self sufficiant village now so we're ready.
Any other views on this?
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pretty optimistic views from here. oil has allowed us to destroy forests and the habitats of other species at a rate never before possible, as well as enslave most of the human world to the machine...QuakerBear wrote:I've been reading about all this peak oil stuff and it's actually quite worrying.
Some scientists think we've actually reached peak production, i.e. sustainable and profitable production. Most of the others think we're going to get there in the next ten years or so.
Maybe we should all get ourselves established on a self sufficiant village now so we're ready.
Any other views on this?
without oil many of us hope this money orientated devastation will slow down...
and the only sustainable society without oil, is one in tune with our land, each other, the planet generally. local prodcution of food, and eveything else we need.
BUT mainstream uk culture is not taking notice, people arent preparing themselves for a lifestyle change - i think it may hit hard in the UK for most people...
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I agree, there may be a lifestyle change that some are going to find very hard indeed. Are medicines generally imported from very far away?
Mr. QuakerBear is a biologist and we were watching an American apocolypse thingie on the television. It wasn't very good at all but the voice over said, "this could mean the end of life on Earth". Well, Mr. QuakerBear said, "Of course it won't, it may mean the end of humans, but not of life. If would probably be better for life on Earth in general if humans did cease, from a biological perspective". Maybe he's got a point.......
Mr. QuakerBear is a biologist and we were watching an American apocolypse thingie on the television. It wasn't very good at all but the voice over said, "this could mean the end of life on Earth". Well, Mr. QuakerBear said, "Of course it won't, it may mean the end of humans, but not of life. If would probably be better for life on Earth in general if humans did cease, from a biological perspective". Maybe he's got a point.......
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No doubt about it!QuakerBear wrote:I agree, there may be a lifestyle change that some are going to find very hard indeed. Are medicines generally imported from very far away?
Mr. QuakerBear is a biologist and we were watching an American apocolypse thingie on the television. It wasn't very good at all but the voice over said, "this could mean the end of life on Earth". Well, Mr. QuakerBear said, "Of course it won't, it may mean the end of humans, but not of life. If would probably be better for life on Earth in general if humans did cease, from a biological perspective". Maybe he's got a point.......
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Can some one help me out a bit on this peak oil thingy
So I grow some of my own food and I know that with the space I have I could eventually grow enough to basically sustain 2 families (not everything, but veg, milk, eggs and meat at least)
I did walk everywhere but now that I am in the sticks I basically just work in and around the house all day, every day. I have no plans to get a car (a bike, yes)
I can burn wood on my open fire.
I use very little electricity, and have plans to use much less in the near future (for cooking)
Anyway I can't get my head around how life is going to end because we run out of oil, I can't really see how it is going to affect me that much - I mean we won't have such easily available food, medicine or electricity, but I can't understand that humankind won't find a way around it.
Towns and Cities would cease to exist as we know them but markets would still exist, communities would pull closer together, people would start using the alternative remedies (that modern-day science has been able to refine) for common ailments .
Can anyone explain to me how we are all going to drop down dead?
So I grow some of my own food and I know that with the space I have I could eventually grow enough to basically sustain 2 families (not everything, but veg, milk, eggs and meat at least)
I did walk everywhere but now that I am in the sticks I basically just work in and around the house all day, every day. I have no plans to get a car (a bike, yes)
I can burn wood on my open fire.
I use very little electricity, and have plans to use much less in the near future (for cooking)
Anyway I can't get my head around how life is going to end because we run out of oil, I can't really see how it is going to affect me that much - I mean we won't have such easily available food, medicine or electricity, but I can't understand that humankind won't find a way around it.
Towns and Cities would cease to exist as we know them but markets would still exist, communities would pull closer together, people would start using the alternative remedies (that modern-day science has been able to refine) for common ailments .
Can anyone explain to me how we are all going to drop down dead?
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I mean we won't have such easily available food, medicine or electricity, but I can't understand that humankind won't find a way around it.
Towns and Cities would cease to exist as we know them but markets would still exist, communities would pull closer together, people would start using the alternative remedies (that modern-day science has been able to refine) for common ailments .
Can anyone explain to me how we are all going to drop down dead?
Dear Annpan,
Sadly what you've described above, for some people would mean the end of life because life is defined in terms of commodities, and getting one up on the Jones's. As a postgrad I lived in something like a gated community where each family had their own house but we shared the gardens for growing in, orchard, washing lines and laundry. I've been told that this was primitive, "shouldn't be allowed" and "I could never live like that". I thought for goodness sake, it's a communual laundry, it's no hardship and in fact it's better as there's usually someone there to lend you some powder or help you fold sheets. This is just an example of what people do consider to be hardship
. For them to live like this or to evan have to grow something would mean life isn't worth living. In someways I feel sad for those I know who think like this, I think they're missng out.
Towns and Cities would cease to exist as we know them but markets would still exist, communities would pull closer together, people would start using the alternative remedies (that modern-day science has been able to refine) for common ailments .
Can anyone explain to me how we are all going to drop down dead?
Dear Annpan,
Sadly what you've described above, for some people would mean the end of life because life is defined in terms of commodities, and getting one up on the Jones's. As a postgrad I lived in something like a gated community where each family had their own house but we shared the gardens for growing in, orchard, washing lines and laundry. I've been told that this was primitive, "shouldn't be allowed" and "I could never live like that". I thought for goodness sake, it's a communual laundry, it's no hardship and in fact it's better as there's usually someone there to lend you some powder or help you fold sheets. This is just an example of what people do consider to be hardship
. For them to live like this or to evan have to grow something would mean life isn't worth living. In someways I feel sad for those I know who think like this, I think they're missng out.QuakerBear
Part of my point is 'so?'
If the majority of the population choose to live in this plastic, consumerist society, then so be it. If oil does run out, or get to expensive for anyone to afford then we (ishers) will become a saught after commodity, our knowledge will be essential.
Alot of people seem to be talking about the end of the human race, why? I cannot foresee a way in which we will all die out due to lack of fossil fuels. (unless it starts a nuclear war )
Also, us raving on and on about peak oil, well, what is the point? who is listening? the consumers will keep consuming. Look at the farce that was live earth
If the majority of the population choose to live in this plastic, consumerist society, then so be it. If oil does run out, or get to expensive for anyone to afford then we (ishers) will become a saught after commodity, our knowledge will be essential.
Alot of people seem to be talking about the end of the human race, why? I cannot foresee a way in which we will all die out due to lack of fossil fuels. (unless it starts a nuclear war
)Also, us raving on and on about peak oil, well, what is the point? who is listening? the consumers will keep consuming. Look at the farce that was live earth
Ann Pan
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some days you're the lamp-post"
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I think I have to keep raving because I need to hope that everyone can live in a better world and more responsibly. If I have something good, and I believe I do, I feel obliged to share it. I can't give up on those around me and just say, "well they're lost, but I'm Okay".
Now I'm sounding like the religious weirdo that I promised I wasn't
so I'll stop raving for now.
Now I'm sounding like the religious weirdo that I promised I wasn't
so I'll stop raving for now.QuakerBear
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I live about 5 miles from two towns, deep in the sticks. So what happens if things go to pieces? 
I can forsee a time in the not too distant future when something relatively mundane like a massive property and stock market crash, allied with "climate events" could be sufficient for society as we know it to break down - once the town-dwellers have looted the supermarkets, they'll head for the countryside, thinking there's food there....................
Guns and razorwire job?
As a nation, we've lost most of our manufacturing and survival skills, and millions of people do "non-jobs" that just feed the machine - they'll be totally stuffed when the lights go out!
Ask yourself the question "how far would I go to feed my family".............and I suspect that most of us would get fairly barbaric to do so!
I can forsee a time in the not too distant future when something relatively mundane like a massive property and stock market crash, allied with "climate events" could be sufficient for society as we know it to break down - once the town-dwellers have looted the supermarkets, they'll head for the countryside, thinking there's food there....................
Guns and razorwire job?
As a nation, we've lost most of our manufacturing and survival skills, and millions of people do "non-jobs" that just feed the machine - they'll be totally stuffed when the lights go out!
Ask yourself the question "how far would I go to feed my family".............and I suspect that most of us would get fairly barbaric to do so!
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