Cloche and cold frame

[Emma]

At the risk of sounding a bit dumb what is the difference between a cloche and a cold frame and why is it called a cold frame?

[Wombat]

G'Day Emma,

A cloche is a mini-green house that is place over a single plant (or I think, also row of plants) that are planted out early in spring to give you an early start . eg by placing a PET drink bottle with the bottom cut off over a seedling.

A could frame is used in a similar way for seedlings in that it is an area enclosed by glass or plastic that is warmed by the sun to give seedlings an early start. Ususally over seedlings or a nursery bed. It is "cold" because unlike many greenhouses(glasshouses) it contains no supplementary heating . The classic cold frame is made out of a wooden frame with a window (usually an old casement window) hinged on an angle over the top.

Does that sound OK?

Nev

[Andy Hamilton]

Perfect description Nev and Emma don't worry about sounding stupid, hopefully everyone on here is learning new things. 8)

There is a good quote by Einstien that goes, "spend your whole life asking why and eventually you will educate yourself". - so carry on asking.

[diver]

I have just spent all afternoon making a cold frame out of old pieces of wood and plastic sheets that I scrounged from a car windscreen replacement firm...but now I am worried because although it is a bit lobsided I was pleased with it ....BUT it does not have a sloping top....is this really important or will a flat top do just as well, thanks

[Wombat]

I think that the sloping top is just to let more light in from the sun at a lower angle - these are used in winter & early spring. It also means that any condensation does not drop onto the seedlings.

Anyway, if the seedlings get some direct sunlight you should be OK

Nev

[Dave]

I made a similar cold frame last week, it's not got a sloping top either as it was made without using nails or glue so the top is resting on three bits of wood and a bit of perspex. It has got a bit of perspex at the front facing the sun so maybe we should compare in the spring to see what a difference a non-sloping roof might make.

[Wombat]

When I was doing the Farm Technology Certificate, they had a cold frame made from aluminium angle and translucent corrugated fibreglass so that light could get in from all sides. If I remember correctly it had a flat roof also.

Nev

[Emma]

Thank you Nev and everone else, don't worry I WILL keep asking Andy Will start lookin in skips for stuff. Might use some old metal coat hangers and try making a mini polytunnel.

[Wombat]

No worries Emma, glad to help!

Nev

[mountaingirl]

Hi All ::flower:



Emma this is an interesting site to get ideas about polytunnels.

http://www.firsttunnels.co.uk/

I intend to get one for next year.

Pollytunnel gardening is great. and with some shelves for the seedlings (which you can take out later) you can gradually plant them out as many as the pt will accomodate, also you have a single area for pest control.

Good idea is to get some of that super light reflective foil that they develope for NASA and hang that on the inner ptwall that the sun shines against and your plants experience extra sunshine from on both sides of the plants.

You can get the foil from 'growell hydroponics'....cheap

(Also useful to place behind wall bulbs to multiply light to the room.)

Pollytunnels are fab especially if you live in northern climate.
and you can hang washing if one is big enough.

mountaingirl

[Andy Hamilton]

Thought I would share that I battled the april showers today and made a cloche out of old plastic packaging, bags wire coat hangers, string, tape, bamboo canes and parts of last years sunflowers.

Looks a bit haphazard but think it has done the trick. Will see if I can my digital camera to actually take a picture outdoors and stick up some pics if I get roudn to it.

[greenbean]

Hi Andy, Blue Peter has nothing on you! I take my hat off to you. Last year's sunflowers, have you dried the stems or somehting?... I'm looking forward to seeing the picture.

[Andy Hamilton]

Hi Andy, Blue Peter has nothing on you! I take my hat off to you. Last year's sunflowers, have you dried the stems or somehting?... I'm looking forward to seeing the picture.

Just left in the ground to dry naturally, really strong stems on them too and the longest one grew to about 10 feet. Makes it much cheaper than bamboo canes.

[Wombat]

Who the heck is blue peter?

Nev

[Andy Hamilton]

Who the heck is blue peter?

Nev

It is a famous kids show on the BBC that has been on since the 1960's. They always make things on it out of old bits of stuff like toliet tubes, washing up liquid bottles and that sort of thing. In fact they were pretty pionnering really.