Bee keeping

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Bee keeping

Post: # 124361Post weatherwax »

Not sure this is the right place but I suppose they come under livestock
Anyone keep bees, it is something I have been interested in for a while, and really fancy having a go at it, but everything I have read about it makes it sound so complicated, especially collecting the honey.
So my question is do any of you keep bees and how difficult is it, ooh and one more thing, do they annoy the neighbours, mine are already very tolerant of the chooks :lol:
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I don't, but I would like to (as a long-term project) and I was advised to get in touch with my local bee-keeping association and they should let you go along to meetings and other things they do, so you can talk to people who know what they're doing and get some experience.
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Post: # 124383Post Ellendra »

I'd recommend looking at topbar hives, they're much easier to maintain and easy to build. The downside is they're smaller, so you won't get as much honey per hive.

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Post: # 124434Post Rod in Japan »

Ellendra, do you have TBHs? I was thinking about making one this winter. As for size, isn't it possible to make them as long as you want?

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Ellendra wrote:I'd recommend looking at topbar hives, they're much easier to maintain and easy to build. The downside is they're smaller, so you won't get as much honey per hive.
I can't see how these work without a queen excluder.
I've read the description of TBHs but are brood cells kept separate from honey cells (by the bees) on individual combs ?
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Post: # 124491Post Rod in Japan »

I won't pretend to understand this just yet, but here's one answer.

For us natural type people, the very name "queen excluder" sounds just a bit off. :flower:

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Rod in Japan wrote:For us natural type people, the very name "queen excluder" sounds just a bit off.
Maybe, but isn't stealing the bees hard won winter stores "a bit off" as well :lol:
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Post: # 124499Post Rod in Japan »

I do note the grinning yellow thing, but in all seriousness, if and when I do make a TBH, the idea will be to take only what's fair recompense for building the accommodations and driving off the hornets.

On a slightly different tack, I'm perplexed as to where the bees have gone at the moment. There were masses of them in my garden in the spring. Now there are none whatsoever. My wolfberries are flowering and are visited by hoverflies and some species of wasp that I'm not familiar with, but no bees at all. I really should talk to a bee person here, but the last one I spoke to was a quite off-putting.

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Post: # 124509Post Baymair »

Here is a link to an excellent Top Bar Hive beekeeping forum:

http://www.biobees.com/forum/index.php

I was going to start keeping bees in a TBH, but got a whole hive of bees in a National on Freecycle, so I've been plunged in at the deep end (definitely not complaining though!).

It's really not that complicated, it's probably like learning to walk or ride a bike - reading about it makes it sound impossible, but having someone to keep an eye on you and give you advice makes it all very possible.

Local beekeeping groups are generally very helpful and keen to teach beginners. They are also a good source of cheap/free equipment.

As long as you are careful about siting the hive they shouldn't annoy the neighbours - stings are very rare, but if you face the hive entrance out over the neighbours garden and they are in the flightpath it could worry them. Also, be aware of their washing line, bees are very tidy and won't poo in the hive so take cleansing flights. Your neighbour won't want all that over their washing!

Even if it's too tricky to keep them in your garden, many beekeeping associations have an apiary where you could keep them instead. Failing that, a local orchard/landowner or sympathetic gardener would probably welcome them.

You're starting at just the right time - you could spend the autumn/winter learning about it and collecting the equipment you need so you'll be all set for spring.

One thing - don't be in a hurry to get bees in the spring, there's usually a rush on and the price goes up. Wait a while, and once the swarms are out you could have 1, or 2 or more much cheaper.

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Post: # 124520Post weatherwax »

Thank you some great advice
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Odsox wrote:Maybe, but isn't stealing the bees hard won winter stores "a bit off" as well
You only take combs which are well filled and capped, leaving others less filled the the bees to continue working a feeding on. You replace the bars you remove with a single empty bar which helps restore the equilibrium in the hive.

A wise beekeeper always leaves sufficient honey for his hive but unlike Langstroth hives where many are killed during honey extraction, the removal of honey from top bar hives is far less disruptive.

In light of the declining bee population top bar hives provide a viable alternative where supplements and pesticides are not required.

Oh and weatherfax, if you take your neighbours some lovely honey I'm sure they'll get used to having new neighbours.

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Post: # 124534Post Baymair »

contadina wrote:
A wise beekeeper always leaves sufficient honey for his hive but unlike Langstroth hives where many are killed during honey extraction, the removal of honey from top bar hives is far less disruptive.

In light of the declining bee population top bar hives provide a viable alternative where supplements and pesticides are not required.
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I don't think that's entirely fair about Langs vs TBH - both systems have pros and cons and depend on the beekeeper's skill and experience not to make a mistake and kill any bees. Bees in TBHs still sometimes need to be fed, just like in any other type of hive, and are still prone to mites which need to be treated. The main reason I like TBHs is that the bees decide for themselves what type/size of comb to build to suit their needs which may have a knock on effect in decreasing mite populations, but it is just as easy to cut out most of the frame foundation so that they can do the same job in a National or Lang hive.

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Post: # 124543Post Odsox »

contadina wrote:You only take combs which are well filled and capped, leaving others less filled the the bees to continue working a feeding on. You replace the bars you remove with a single empty bar which helps restore the equilibrium in the hive.

A wise beekeeper always leaves sufficient honey for his hive
Yes Contadina, I did know that .. I was just having a friendly dig at Rod for having a friendly dig at me.

As to killing bees in other style hives, I don't remember killing any when I kept bees in a national hive, maybe one now and again when replacing the supers but that surely applies with TBH when replacing the bars.
Or maybe I've forgotten the carnage I caused as it was over 50 years ago.
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Post: # 124575Post contadina »

I guess what I'm saying is that TBH are far less intrusive - you don't need to bother the bees as much. For me that is the ideal form of beekeeping, and certainly one I think more suited to novice beekeepers. And yes, I know, all beekeepers may need to resort to feeding on occasion but leaving sufficient honey (rather than filling those extra jars) makes more sense to me.

As for organic beekeeping, biobees has several viable alternatives for controlling mites http://www.biobees.com/forum/about1476.html

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Post: # 124705Post Ellendra »

Rod in Japan wrote:Ellendra, do you have TBHs? I was thinking about making one this winter. As for size, isn't it possible to make them as long as you want?

I have 2, but one got hit be the "Vanishing Bee" act, and the other . . . . didn't have enough stored to make it through the winter :crybaby:


My next ones will be longer, but I lost my woodworking space for a while, so I haven't got them built yet.

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